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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Protesting war is disrespecting the US?

    And look at the facts, the Bush Administration grew the government and the right wing cheerleaders happily supported all of it.
    If you can find one mention of the word "war" in that post of mine you just copied, I'll send you a check for $1000.

    If you want to address the right wing cheerleaders, you'll have to find them. I don't pass on information to those you're looking to address.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Oh god. Working people demonstrating against what they think is unfair in their labor is a labor dispute. I spent 30 years in the Teamsters Union, so yes, I have a general idea what a labor dispute is... (jeez).... that's why I so so labled that demonstration against English soldiers undercutting the rope workers wages and the general demonstration against impressment.The brawl started at the rope worker's demonstration: as I recall, the workers had armed themselves with clubs. Read a little; get a grip.
    Would you prefer to call it "workplace violence"?

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    The school system in question should teach the constitution. I don't care how people show their patriotism. A concept like patriotism and how to practice it properly cannot be taught. The US government shouldn't always be supported. At times, the US should be protested. No government should be blindly followed and supported.

    Haven't you ever heard the quote, "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag?" I am always weary of nationalism and labeling dissenting free speech as anti-American.

    I don't understand why self proclaimed small government conservatives did the opposite under the Bush Admin.


    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I didn't say anything about civil protests in my post, which was purely about the difference between being for small government (which isn't the same as "anti-government", and which most real conservatives advocate) and disrespecting the United States (the opposite of patriotism) . It was in response to a post that said this:

    Why are conservatives trying to teach respect of authority and patriotism when they are anti government?

    I don't advocate "fights". I advocate electing people who are smart enough to do the right thing, and agendas that don't bloat the government.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Okay, but Jerry's question is sort of a good one.

    I've read a lot of posts in this thread about how neat and great it is that the students are protesting. I'd like to see something that shows they know exactly what it is that they're protesting. Specifics about what's being cut or added or censored, what specifically they object to, etc. From the students, I mean. I've not seen anything, and again having 3 high schoolers, I know they would jump at a chance to protest if it meant, as my eldest said, missing classes and pissing off the principal.
    I have 2 perspectives. 1-it's not students jobs to protest...it is students jobs to go to school, learn, shut up and color. We have completely screwed up the school process by telling students they have 'rights'. They don't. Sorry...that's just a fact.

    But...

    2-From what I have read, their parents should have protested the proposed changes. What was being proposed was not 'history' and was certainly agenda driven. They should not be teaching students what they should and should not feel or how they should or should not act...especially in a history class.

    If anything, this issue underscores the need for active parent involvement in their students education experience. Even though I disagree with what the board member proposed, I would be grateful for the opportunity to engage via the PTA and school board meetings.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    The school system in question should teach the constitution. I don't care how people show their patriotism. A concept like patriotism and how to practice it properly cannot be taught. The US government shouldn't always be supported. At times, the US should be protested. No government should be blindly followed and supported.

    Haven't you ever heard the quote, "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag?" I am always weary of nationalism and labeling dissenting free speech as anti-American.

    I don't understand why self proclaimed small government conservatives did the opposite under the Bush Admin.
    I don't know that the school system in question isn't teaching the Constitution. Nobody has put their full agenda up to see.

    Can't help you with the issue of the small government conservatives under the Bush administration. You need to ask them.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Give the authority for curriculum back to the local community, and get the Fed's out of education.
    I think government and government interests should have no place in education. However, I think the government should provide access and utility to education. It's important that our citizenry be educated. My boyfriend is working in the Middle East right now. It's poor and the people are extremely uneducated compared to western nations, and their governments are largely corrupt. I don't think the US should look like that. Our citizens should be literate, know basic science, know about modern medicine, and have plenty of doctors.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I encourage you to stage a bloodless coup. I can't and won't.
    What?? How can you say something like this and also argue for "respect of authority?"

    It looks to me like conservatives want and expect conservative authority respected. That is at least what I gather from conservative attitudes under the Bush Admin.

    How dare you not support the president in a time of war...

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    One more time. The Boston Massacre was not a labor dispute. It was started for exactly the scenario that I originally explained, and without any links necessary on my part to relay to you the factual events of that night. You posted a link in response, which also contained the exact same information I had posted earlier.

    The Boston Massacre was not a labor dispute. It was a brawl started by colonists needling the British soldiers. That is a fact you can't twist.

    For a few posts, you didn't even know what you were posting about anyway. You're the same person who kept saying that Bunker Hill was a civil protest. Then when I corrected you, you said "oops I mean the Boston Massacre". There was no "demonstration" that night. It was a fight. Snowballs, muskets, etc. A civil demonstration by your earlier definition in this thread (in case you forgot) was that it was a non-violent form of protest. Do you realize that people died in Boston that night?

    Even if the Massacre was a labor dispute - which it wasn't - it has no similarity to this thread subject anyway. The topic is kids demonstrating something. This isn't a labor dispute. It's closer to the historical account of the Boston Massacre than either a labor dispute or a civil protest. It's a bunch of kids looking to needle their school administration.
    The shooting started where the labor dispute as going on. The English and the public had been having nothing but problems for some time, so it was just a a matter of time. I showed you very clearly where I derived my information from; nothing is being twisted.
    “The people do no want virtue; but they are the dupes of pretended patriots” : Elbridge Gerry of Mass; Constitutional Convention 1787

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    respect for the law, means to obey law........you don't have to like the law, just observe it.
    I don't have to obey the law. I have a right to protest the law.

    Rosa Parks didn't obey or respect the law, she fought against the law. It was the proper thing to do.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    What?? How can you say something like this and also argue for "respect of authority?"

    It looks to me like conservatives want and expect conservative authority respected. That is at least what I gather from conservative attitudes under the Bush Admin.

    How dare you not support the president in a time of war...
    That's nice. Why don't you post this to conservatives and people who don't support Obama's military actions right now.

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