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Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

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Should anyone in any country be "proud of their country" as a concept?

Yeah, I think that one can have quite a lot of pride in themselves and their country, and can even do so while not displaying blind obedience to the government itself. One can have a lot of pride in their country and rally against the current incarnation of their government as well.
 
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That's truly frightening.

Why is that?

Btw, I have clarified my point on the post.
 
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History is facts, it's a recording of what happened...those are measured systems. Speaking factually doesn't have to be done in a boring mannerism.

Wow, so wrong. History is the "facts" written by the survivors AND it's a story, again, told by the survivors, the victors.
 
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Why is that?

Btw, I have clarified my point on the post.

You have a minor in the field and believe recorded history is non-biased. That should be a college recall moment if there ever was one.
 
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Yeah, I think that one can have quite a lot of pride in themselves and their country, and can even do so while not displaying blind obedience to the government itself. One can have a lot of pride in their country and rally against the current incarnation of their government as well.

For the record I don't see a huge problem with making both sides of a particular event, or time in history and having the kids reach their own conclusions, as long as they don't get pressure from what ever teacher to lean one way or another for grades.
 
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Wow, so wrong. History is the "facts" written by the survivors AND it's a story, again, told by the survivors, the victors.

OK, but yes it's recorded and modern history more so than medieval. But it doesn't change anything I wrote. It's recorded, we report on that. It's factual, I suppose by "history's standards", and that doesn't need to be recanted in boring mannerisms.
 
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For the record I don't see a huge problem with making both sides of a particular event, or time in history and having the kids reach their own conclusions, as long as they don't get pressure from what ever teacher to lean one way or another for grades.

And there is the rub because we have on some level made our schools into institutions of propaganda instead of critical thinking. But yes, ideally it's the facts, it's both sides, and the individual makes up their own minds. By politicizing the schools, we're acting against the purpose of education.
 
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And there is the rub because we have on some level made our schools into institutions of propaganda instead of critical thinking. But yes, ideally it's the facts, it's both sides, and the individual makes up their own minds. By politicizing the schools, we're acting against the purpose of education.

We find agreement....I knew it was possibe...heh, heh....Well, off to work, gotta go to Indy today...Talk later...


Have a good one.
 
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OK, but yes it's recorded and modern history more so than medieval. But it doesn't change anything I wrote. It's recorded, we report on that. It's factual, I suppose by "history's standards", and that doesn't need to be recanted in boring mannerisms.

So, when a medieval historian writes that ships that sailed too far towards the horizon fell off the Earth, that was factual? And historians today are different than historians then how?
 
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Oh my god... How the hell does one cast slavery in a positive light? "At least we got a whole lot of cheap cotton out of it"?

Apparently on July 4th, 1776 America started ****ting non-stop rainbows and nothing negative ever happened.

Now you're getting it. :lamo
 
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You have a minor in the field

Its my major, not minor.

and believe recorded history is non-biased.

I never said that. I said professors should not inject nationalism or other personal biases in the teaching of history. Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
 
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You're the one who tried to claim by misquoting me that I had said patriotism and treason were the same thing. Which is a lie, so you can stop that, it would be greatly appreciated.

No I didn't. You tried to argue that you can die for your country for traitorous purposes to show that dying for your country isn't patriotic, I pointed out that dying for traitorous purposes is not dying for your country.

It would depend on circumstance of death and protest. A protest could indeed be a greater display of patriotism than dying for the government. As stated before, death for the government isn't innately an act of patriotism. Nor are all protests acts of patriotism, ergo it is quite possible that dying for the government is a greater display of patriotism than protest.

To make your argument you have dishonestly moved the goal post to "dying for your government" which is not the same as dying for your country. Government =/= Country.

I have said "dying for your country is the highest form of patriotism" the best you seem to be able to muster is the intellectually dishonest argument that "dying for your government" isn't always patriotic, which isn't the same thing.

I am picking up a distinct pattern with you...
 
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Its my major, not minor.



I never said that. I said professors should not inject nationalism or other personal biases in the teaching of history. Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

Hilarious and a wonderfully subtle shifting of those goal posts. Regardless, yes, that may be the sought after standard, but if you don't know it's not ever been reached, in the material or the presentation, you deserve a refund. We say the same thing about journalists/reporters.
 
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Protest is one of the highest forms of patriotism in this Republic.

The problem is people only think it is patriotic when it is in favor of their political lean.
 
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:doh


With these students standing up like that, it shows not all hope is lost.

One of the great crimes in public education started back in the late '60's, early '70's, when the new "educators" saw public education as an opportunity to teach children about social justice, and other philosophies. There is a direct correlation between this change, and the diminished results we have been witnessing in student test scores.

Public Education should not be place where ideological agendas become required curriculum. Public schools are for reading, writing, etc. The rest is up to parents and the community to present and explain.
 
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These children are self absorbed idiots.

I don't blame them though. Their parents are probably even more self absorbed idiots, so it isn't like the kids had a chance.

Yes, damn them for not accepting propaganda as history! What in the hell is the matter with them? Just swallow it and smile.:lamo
 
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You're taking one aspect, (that I agree is troublesome) and twisting the whole thing...Trying to squelch opposition to Obama is a hallmark of the progressive liberal today...Congrats...You're post is highly typical.

I'm just asking why some who are downplaying civil disobedience and promoting a wholesome patriotic pro-American view stops at the highest level of our president, who gets put under fire at any given chance by those same people. I am in no way trying to squelch opposition to Obama, just wondering why the hypocrisy.
 
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Well, if we're going to insist on "honest history", shouldn't we then teach the truth about "democracy"??

Shouldn't we teach the truth about how the progressives rewrote our Constitution in the 1930's - and then rewrote the history books to ensure than succeeding generations of Americans would be indoctrinated into the poisonous ideology of the radical left??

Shouldn't we teach the Austrian School along side Keynes??

Shouldn't we teach the truth about how societies die - Rome, Greece, Lycia??

Shouldn't we teach the truth about the fraud of man-made global warming??

Shouldn't we teach the truth about the "collapse" of the Soviet Union - and how the U.S. and western bankers were the power behind the throne??

Leftist nonsense is pouring into the little skulls of mush every day - Gramsci was right.

Truth be told, American school kids are being indoctrinated and have been for decades. The results of that indoctrination is a lawless government, a bankrupt treasury, a dysfunctional society, and citizen morons as opposed to informed citizens who can govern themselves.

This is just more evidence that Gramsci was right... infiltrate the institutions, and attack the society from the inside-out.
 
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So, when a medieval historian writes that ships that sailed too far towards the horizon fell off the Earth, that was factual? And historians today are different than historians then how?

No, but they may say that at one time the prevailing thought was that if you sailed too far you'd fall off the Earth. See, things are recorded and we can learn and recite the facts.
 
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Yes, damn them for not accepting propaganda as history! What in the hell is the matter with them? Just swallow it and smile.:lamo

Well, if they're so butthurt about it, there are plenty of other history sources freely available to them. No one made a rule that the only learning done must be in the classroom.
 
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No I didn't. You tried to argue that you can die for your country for traitorous purposes to show that dying for your country isn't patriotic, I pointed out that dying for traitorous purposes is not dying for your country.



To make your argument you have dishonestly moved the goal post to "dying for your government" which is not the same as dying for your country. Government =/= Country.

I have said "dying for your country is the highest form of patriotism" the best you seem to be able to muster is the intellectually dishonest argument that "dying for your government" isn't always patriotic, which isn't the same thing.

I am picking up a distinct pattern with you...

Country is government. Again, this is just swindling definitions to support your opinion. But it's your opinion. Dying for one's country can mean various things. Dying to uphold the philosophies of the People (which would be more inclined to resemble patriotism) or dying to uphold the desires of State.

You can pick up any pattern you like, but I wouldn't trust that you could report on it honestly.
 
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Yeah, that'll work. After hearing at school about the positive benefits of slavery and the enlightened treatment of the American Indian, they can go buy a real history book and spend their free time reading it. :lamo
 
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Hilarious and a wonderfully subtle shifting of those goal posts.

What "shift" are you talking about?
 
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Yeah...you're missing a "not". Dying for your country is not the greatest form of patriotism....

:roll:

I don't know how old you are, or how intelligent you think you are, but... based on the above, and the fact that many of my closest friends have laid down their lives for this country, in the greatest possible selfless act of patriotism, I have to disagree with your statement in this the most vehement way possible, without using the words that I want to use to describe you and your statement that would surely get me banned for life from this forum.
 
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