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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    So... they weren't patriotic toward their king then. Rather than simply demonstrate by walking out, they chose illegal acts, including the burning of homes, the dumping of the king's tea adn outright shooting British soldiers. They chose to take up arms against their government.

    So, tell me how these high school students were wrong again.
    Again, you are seriously equating what these high schoolers did with what the colonists did?

    You musn't have children in school. They are taught that the colonists did all of these things, and they are taught why they did it.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Well since the taxpayers are paying for that schooling, then the taxpayers should be respected and the kids should get history as unbiased as possible. And not just ignore the parts that make the US look bad.

    Alot of what folks my age were taught in history class has been found to be very very biased and even wrong. That's not serving our kids or our country.

    I'm just finishing up reading the Rape of Nanking right now. That is a horrendous event that was nearly ignored by the world until recently. Between 250,000 and 400,000 were killed...by all sources except the Japanese.

    The Japanese have been teaching their children 3,000. And they still refuse to admit to the war crimes and atrocities.
    Was this an elected school board (as mine is)? If so, the taxpayers would have elected whomever on the board is suggesting this change in curriculum, so keeping that in mind, one can assume they are (the taxpayers) ARE being respected.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurmugeon View Post
    A person in high school might have been following politics with enough attention to have any clue for what? four years, maybe, in the unusual case six?

    Well, today's HS kids have known no Government other than one headed by Obama and the Radical Lefties.

    If you had grown up during such leadership, would you have a sense of value and loyalty toward Government and Country?

    I can't find it to blame HS students for hating American Government, all they've known is a Government which is contemptible and views the citizens as slaves or worse.

    I can blame the parents who were foolish enough to allow such a Government to gain power.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Slavery was racist, but the 3/5 clause was not. It was a compromise that was reached between pro-slavery states, and anti-slavery states in order to insure that the constitution was ratified. aka, it was nessisary at the time to protect the union.
    IOW, "they had a good reason for including a racist provision in the Constitution"
    A high school Social Studies teacher in Solon, Ohio asked his students the following question on the 3/5 compromise:

    "Was the 3/5’s Compromise a pragmatic solution to the slave issue that ended up being beneficial for our nation’s survival? Or, Was the 3/5’s Compromise an example of hideous racism and also a lack of courage and conviction by some of the delegates to the Constitutional Convention?"

    While many of them ignored the question parameters and chose both answers, here's how each one (with the exception of 2 that got it right) chose to begin their statements:

    I believe that the 3/5's compromise was a very strong form of racism. We as humans should be ourselfs and counted as one whole person no matter what color, shape or size you are.

    I believe that the 3/5's compromise was a example of hideous racism because no human being should have their freedom and rights taken away from them.

    I think that the 3/5's Compromise was an example of racism as well as hypocrisy.

    I think the 3/5 compromise was a big form of racism.

    I think the 3/5 compromise was a form of racism.

    i think the 3/5 comprimse was americans way of not dealing with one of its biggest issue. this is why not many people like america because we dont know how to clean up our mess. we are always in other people business and worry little about our own

    I think the 3/5 compromise was a form of racism. By writing this compromise the founding fathers did not deal with the biggest issue that was happening at the time
    The 3/5's compromise was a cheap way for the southern slave owners to get more of a say in government.

    I believe that the 3/5's compromise was a big form of racism and harsh equality. The only reason for this was to get more people towards the population. No one should be counted as 3/5's of a person, that is just awful and it makes the United States look bad too.

    In my opinion, The 3/5's compromise was a cheap way for the southern slave owners to get more of a say in government.

    I think that the 3/5's compromise was a completely racist move. No one person should ever be counted for 3/5's of a person. The African Americans should have been counted as a whole if they were going to do this and give them their full rights.

    The 3/5's compromise was a large form of racism within the United States. They are treating African American people as non human beings. Or they were even 3/5 of a human being, that doesnt make any sence. You are either human (which they were) or non human (which they were not). You cant just be 3/5 human.

    The 3/5 compromise continues to serve a purpose to this day. Today we use this abomination as a reminder of both how far we have advanced as a society and just how inhumane our ancestors were.

    I believe that the 3/5 compromise is indeed racist

    I think that the 3/5’s Compromise is an example of hideous racism. Because in this case only the three-fifths of black people would be counted for representation purposes regarding both the distribution of taxes and the apportionment; and it is not fair to count a black man as a three-fifths’ person.



    And those are what high school students today think.
    Except for the claim that it was a way to avoid dealing with the problem, all of those answers are correct.

    And the fact that those students know that the 3/5 provision was included in order to get the southern states to agree to join the union proves that your claim that they aren't taught about that is wrong.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    "1/32"

    I'm 25%

    Quite frankly, I can give a **** how much Native American you are. You implied reservations are wonderful places (we were so nice to them after we conquered them! Look we gave em reservations!) when in reality they're rotten ****holes.

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    Take with some salt, but having been to these reservations I can with confidence, say much of this is true.
    Some reservations are better than others. Because so many tribes have had such poor leadership among their own people, there are more poor depressed areas than flourshing ones. Some of it is genetic. Many Amerindians are getting by just as well as their ancient kin in current day Mongolia and NE Russia. Did many Amerindians get a raw deal and get put on crummy land. Of course.

    However, my main point is the American Euros at least set up places for many of the Native to go. Unlike all the other tribes, who simply forcedout enemy peoples through warfare and genocide. The Comanches killed the Eastern Apaches wherever they found them and forced the survivors to flee into the Southern Rocky Mountains.

    I have traveled and lived throughout the West. But I'd rather be a Native living in the 21st Century on a poor and arid reservation, than having to scratch out a living and die young as all the Amerindians did before the Euros took over.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Can you give us some examples of this apparent leftist socialist agenda in schoolbooks?


    In the context of WW2, how is Stalin bad? Do you not think he was instrumental in the Allied defeat of Hitler?


    Considering the coordinated racist vote ID laws recently be passed by Republican state legislators, clearly Blacks and other ethic groups still suffer under Jim Crow voter laws in many or most red states. I will grant you that this disenfranchisement is a recent event, which illustrates that we should continue to teach the existence of earlier racist behaviour since it can clearly (and has) resurface(d) after being tamped down.


    Considering that Rand Paul, often mentioned as a 2016 presidential candidate by Republicans, would like to allow 'whites only' restuarants clearly it is still (in the right's mind) 1954 or 1963 at least (IIRC he'd like to see the Civil Rights Act repealed). Considering right wing extemists like Cliven Bundy, supported by right wing media,who thinks that the abolition of slavery was a bad idea it clearly still is 1864.


    I would call it fascism.
    Looks like I was right on the money with the 1963/1863 analogy. Thanks for your support.

    I doubt you know enough about the WW2 era to debate it. Before June 1941, how was Stalin more righteous than Hilter? Please inculed Stalin's Ukrainian genocide, the Holodomor, the great officer purge, the Winter War with Finland, the annexation of Latvia, Lithuanian and Estonia and Belarussia? Also why did Stalin get to keep the 200,000 sq miles of Poland he invaded with Hitler in 1939? Why didn't the Allies declare war on Stalin for invading Poland? I don't have time to list all the bad things your hero Stalin did during and after WW2.

    Public school textbooks are laughably Liberal and pro-Communist.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Uh, the Pueblo Revolt took place in 1680 against the Spanish...

    The "Apache" were a confederation of southwestern tribes that lasted until the 19th century. And American Indians knew nothing of Manifest Destiny. YOu really have no idea what the hell you're talking about.
    Popular imagination would think that as soon as a ancient native people stepped on a territory back over 12,000 years ago, the same people lived there until the Evil Europeans took it from them.

    North and South America Natives were constantly warring and moving. Just like Europe. You think the boundries of Poland were always the same?

    I was refering to the ancient Pueblo people, the Anasazi:

    The Ancestral Puebloan farmers were relatively successful in the Four Corners area for over a thousand years, but by AD 1300 they had left the entire region. Long-term climate changes that reduced crop yield may have been among the reasons that the Ancestral Puebloans finally moved away from their former homeland.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    According to the NY Times:

    The teachers’ union, whose members forced two high schools to close Friday by calling in sick, has been in continual conflict with the new board; the board, in turn, has drawn praise from Americans for Prosperity-Colorado, a conservative group affiliated with the Koch family foundations. In April, Dustin Zvonek, the group’s director, wrote in an op-ed that the board’s election was an “exciting and hopeful moment for the county and the school district.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/24/us...urriculum.html

    It seems you are correct. This didn't start with the kids deciding to protest.
    Yup. I can see how the teachers' union would be at odds with the AFP. The two groups have very different agendas.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    [...] Before June 1941, how was Stalin more righteous than Hilter? [...]
    Your post that I responded to focused on the WW2 era. My reply was in that context.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    Also why did Stalin get to keep the 200,000 sq miles of Poland he invaded with Hitler in 1939? Why didn't the Allies declare war on Stalin for invading Poland? [...]
    You tell us... it is your argument.

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    Public school textbooks are laughably Liberal and pro-Communist. [[...]
    Yeah, I was asking for clarification of that claim. That means you have to do some homework.... not throw up a collection of links and expect others to do it for you. Fail.

    Summary of your reply: empty rhetoric.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Was this an elected school board (as mine is)? If so, the taxpayers would have elected whomever on the board is suggesting this change in curriculum, so keeping that in mind, one can assume they are (the taxpayers) ARE being respected.
    Not if they werent aware of this predilection/slant/perspective. School board members dont exactly run on 'platforms' and sadly, I bet most parents dont pay much attention anyway.

    Now maybe they will. I think that the attention here is a good thing.
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