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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    But you presumably were educated on the relative goodness of American civilization, its ideology, and its institutions, were you not? Welcome to indoctrination. We have all been indoctrinated, and it's fine. You just seem to be under the illusion that this is only really persistent among Left-wing adherents.
    Some of us are able to overcome it though.

    Public schooling has always been about indoctrination and will always be about indoctrination.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I can't speak for your kids, but mine don't need to learn the same thing every year. By the time they reach HS, they've had at least 8 years of history. If someone's kid doesn't know about the first three presidents by then, it's not the curriculums' fault

    But maybe the kids of right wingers have to re-learn addition and subtraction every year. After all, those are important too.

    Interesting ... particularly given that most school districts don't teach history any more ... at best, you'll see a class in the 7th grade or so. Your kids are lucky - very lucky.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by GBFAN View Post
    Interesting ... particularly given that most school districts don't teach history any more ... at best, you'll see a class in the 7th grade or so. Your kids are lucky - very lucky.
    Most kids are taught history.

    Unless they go to a religious school. Then they learn myths
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It was based on racism. The southern states were given political representation based on the people living there but those people were not given political representation. The entire reason for doing this was because of slavery, which if you haven't noticed, was racist.
    Slavery was racist, but the 3/5 clause was not. It was a compromise that was reached between pro-slavery states, and anti-slavery states in order to insure that the constitution was ratified. aka, it was nessisary at the time to protect the union.


    What is not racist about counting people who were born in the country (ie should be citizens) as 3/5 a person because they were slaves?
    They were counted that way for congressional represntation purposes only, in order to limit the amount of pro-slavery members of congress.... It was not a societal designation that religated them to a less than human status.

    Bull crap. I was taught that and students today are taught that. They are taught about the Abolitionist Movement, John Brown, the reasons for the 3/5 clause, etc
    Then how do you explain the huge number of Americans who believe that the purpose of the 3/5 clause was to designate black people as less human than white people?

    You claim you were taught those things, but I'm here to tell you that between 1969 and 1978 in both the Anne Arundal County public school system, and Caroline County school system in the state of Maryland, I was never taught about the 3/5 clause, the Act of 1807, the Act of 1819, or the Act of 1820. I was taught about the underground railroad and the civil war, but when it came to any laws or political opposition to slavery prior to Lincoln, I was not taught a damned thing. That also applies from 1979 through 1983 when I attended the Phoenix Union High School District in Phoenix, Arizona. They pretty much left all of that out and in my opinion, that is information that every child growing up in America should know about. It's called "balance" and anyone who disagrees with that, makes it pretty clear how they want future generations to perceive America, and let's just say it ain't in a positive way.


    This is the exact type of BS that this wingnut school board is trying to push. It makes it clear that the entire motivation is a political scam
    Only a far left liberal like yourself would think that teaching our children to take pride in America, is nothing more than a political scam.

    A high school Social Studies teacher in Solon, Ohio asked his students the following question on the 3/5 compromise:

    "Was the 3/5’s Compromise a pragmatic solution to the slave issue that ended up being beneficial for our nation’s survival? Or, Was the 3/5’s Compromise an example of hideous racism and also a lack of courage and conviction by some of the delegates to the Constitutional Convention?"

    While many of them ignored the question parameters and chose both answers, here's how each one (with the exception of 2 that got it right) chose to begin their statements:

    I believe that the 3/5's compromise was a very strong form of racism. We as humans should be ourselfs and counted as one whole person no matter what color, shape or size you are.

    I believe that the 3/5's compromise was a example of hideous racism because no human being should have their freedom and rights taken away from them.

    I think that the 3/5's Compromise was an example of racism as well as hypocrisy.

    I think the 3/5 compromise was a big form of racism.

    I think the 3/5 compromise was a form of racism.

    i think the 3/5 comprimse was americans way of not dealing with one of its biggest issue. this is why not many people like america because we dont know how to clean up our mess. we are always in other people business and worry little about our own

    I think the 3/5 compromise was a form of racism. By writing this compromise the founding fathers did not deal with the biggest issue that was happening at the time
    The 3/5's compromise was a cheap way for the southern slave owners to get more of a say in government.

    I believe that the 3/5's compromise was a big form of racism and harsh equality. The only reason for this was to get more people towards the population. No one should be counted as 3/5's of a person, that is just awful and it makes the United States look bad too.

    In my opinion, The 3/5's compromise was a cheap way for the southern slave owners to get more of a say in government.

    I think that the 3/5's compromise was a completely racist move. No one person should ever be counted for 3/5's of a person. The African Americans should have been counted as a whole if they were going to do this and give them their full rights.

    The 3/5's compromise was a large form of racism within the United States. They are treating African American people as non human beings. Or they were even 3/5 of a human being, that doesnt make any sence. You are either human (which they were) or non human (which they were not). You cant just be 3/5 human.

    The 3/5 compromise continues to serve a purpose to this day. Today we use this abomination as a reminder of both how far we have advanced as a society and just how inhumane our ancestors were.

    I believe that the 3/5 compromise is indeed racist

    I think that the 3/5’s Compromise is an example of hideous racism. Because in this case only the three-fifths of black people would be counted for representation purposes regarding both the distribution of taxes and the apportionment; and it is not fair to count a black man as a three-fifths’ person.



    And those are what high school students today think...


    What made the WWII generation so great was the fact that no matter what a persons politics were, or what their personal or religious beliefs were, they all had one thing in common... They all loved America... They all believed in her greatness and the principals she was founded upon. We couldn't have won WWII without it. We need to instill some pride in future generations or they will end up hating America just like so many people today do... and look where that's gotten us over the last several decades.

    Teaching history with some balance is a good thing and something that in my opinion, only someone with an anti-American political agenda could possibly object to.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum changes that would promote patriotism | Fox News

    I'm with the students on this one. Complete bs on the part of that school board. No curriculum should be biased or censored, just straight facts.
    I wanted more information on all of this, and I found it here.

    Here is the section of the first draft of the proposal by school board member Julie Williams that caused all the controversy:

    Review criteria shall include the following: instructional materials should present the most current factual information accurately and objectively. Theories should be distinguished from fact. Materials should promote citizenship, patriotism, essentials and benefits of the free enterprise system, respect for authority and respect for individual rights. Materials should not encourage or condone civil disorder, social strife or disregard of the law. Instructional materials should present positive aspects of the United States and its heritage. Content pertaining to political and social movements in history should present balanced and factual treatment of the positions.

    What exactly is so wrong with that? I see nothing objectionable there at all.

    Then a second draft was made by another school board member that replaced the paragraph above with the following:

    Suggested review criteria include the following: Do the instructional materials present the
    most current factual information accurately and objectively? Are theories distinguished
    from facts? Do the materials encourage responsible citizenship, respect individual rights,
    and present the essentials of the American free enterprise system? Are materials that may
    encourage or condone civil disorder, social strife, or disregard of the law done so within the
    context of the U.S. constitution? Do the instructional materials include positive aspects of
    the United States and its heritage? Is content pertaining to political and social movements
    in U.S. history balanced and factual?

    Again, I see nothing wrong with this one either.

    This whole student protest thing sounds awful fishy to me... Why would students be so up in arms about this proposal? Where did they get the idea that this proposal was a form of censorship, unless that's what their teachers told them to believe?

    What would lead a teacher to object to presenting children with material that shows the positive aspects of the United States and its heritage, and object to political and social movements in history being presented in a balanced manner? Why would they object to lessons that instill "patriotism", the promotion of good citizenship, respect for authority, respect for individual rights or lessons teaching the benifits of our free enterprise system? Also, why would they want to teach things that encourage or condone civil disorder, social strife, or disreguard for the law?

    Hmmmm... Let's see here... positive aspects of the United States and its heritage... against a balanced view of political and social movements... against patriotism... against teaching good citizenship and respect for authority... against the free enterprise system... likes teaching civil disorder... likes teaching disreguard for the law...

    I'm drawing a blank here. Maybe someone else can find a common thread that would explain what would cause teachers to object so vehemently to what was proposed? I just can't put my finger on it.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So bias is fine, as long as it is bias you agree with. That certainly explains a few things...
    Yeah, bias towards country and civic responsibility. Those monsters.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    The teachers are objecting too.

    (Just the stupid Liberal ones, right? /sarcasm)
    Well, this protest was fueled by the teachers Union, which obviously is right wing.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Interesting enough the 3/5th compromise was not slave owners devaluing slaves at all. The northern states did not want to count slaves as people at all, thereby limiting the southern influence in the House of Representatives by downplaying the population on the south. The southerners wanted slaves counted as people.so if we are to consider the compromise racist, the racism was on the north, not the south. But even here in Georgia my son was taught that the Civil War was fought over slavery. Complete BS, but we straightened that out. Imoportant to note that history is generally taught from the perspective of the victors and is rarely balanced. I lived the majority on my life in the Chicago suburbs and found much more racism there than here in the south.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That certainly flies in the face of what you claimed. You said stuff was removed and replaced, now you say the context is changed. Which is it?

    Details and documentation needed here. Everything you say is broad generalities and opinions. I want factual details, not opinions.
    Every one in opposition wants to shut them down based on the proposal. The students, the teachers, and the Union haven't actually seen the curriculum and they are throwing a fit. What lesson are these kids actually getting from this puerile exercise?

    You say you want details but I just don't see it.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Well, Bunker Hill started as a civil protest didn't it. Actually by then the North Carolinians had beat the English at Moore's Creek Bridge by then. The Regulators too had been on a "terrorists campaign" as well. Their executions just pissed everybody off even more.

    When you say, "foundation of the nation", we could start with the Declaration of Independence; not exactly a very patriotic announcment at the time: a bit like the Declaration of Aborath in 1392, also not very patriotic toward the British. Of course by the time of our declaration, so much violence had been committed against the King's troops and his loyalists, that declaring a separation was of course the only logical conclusion to be reached. Outside of those examples your question is sort of vague I'm afraid.
    What is your definition of "civil protest"? I can't answer the question about Bunker Hill until you define it. As far as the Declaration of Independence, you're not seriously equating that to a bunch of high schoolers deciding what curriculum they want to study, are you?

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