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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I have a bachelors in history.

    But it seems you are confusing what I said. I simply stated what should be, not what is.
    Someone with a degree in History should have learned better the value to the individual in having a just and sane Nation behind them to protect their rights.

    Nations arouse out of the needs of the people who banded together under the rules of their Nation for mutual protection from marauding hordes of barbarian raiders and looters.

    People who have contempt for Nationalism have never really learned History's lessons on why Nationalism is a very good thing to have in your life.

    If you want to know the bare beginning of the value of Nationalism, read post #138.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    They never said that protests are wrong or should not be condoned... They said that school shouldn't "encourage or condone civil disorder, social strike or disregard of the law."

    Translated, that means that breaking store front windows to protest tax breaks for the rich shouldn't be encouraged... That setting fire to homes and busineses to protest against the actions of a police officer shouldn't be taught as acceptable behavior... That denying someone their right to speak at a public event, because you may not agree with what they are saying, isn't keeping with the principals that this nation was founded upon.

    There is a right way and a wrong way to express disagreement and they obviously want to make sure that schools are teaching children the correct way to express grievances, and not promoting acts of violence and lawlessness.
    And here we have the root of why Dr. ML King was a great man, and Louis Farrakhan is merely a popular, reactionary, racist, thug.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum changes that would promote patriotism | Fox NewsI'm with the students on this one. Complete bs on the part of that school board. No curriculum should be biased or censored, just straight facts.
    It is impossible to remove bias, which is why everyone has different opinions.

    We can be very truthful about telling the facts but it is less truthful when related facts are being omitted. That seems to be the case here. The students want the facts to gibe with their previously help opinions.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Let me put this in language that everyone can easily understand...

    If our public schools were teaching a balanced history of slavery in America, then how come so many people, especially liberals, claim that the 3/5 clause was racist and that it's purpose in the constitution was to denigrate black people by proclaiming them as inferior human beings that shouldn't be counted the same as a white person?

    I know I wasn't taught the true purpose behind that clause when I went to school and was under that same false, racism based impression for years, until I took the time to research it myself and discover the truth.
    I agree with that to an extent - the better non-racist ratio was probably 0/5ths, because the South shouldn't have been allocated Congressional seats based on their slave populations. But I think what sticks with people is the fact that the Constitution - of the country which declared "all men are created equal" - explicitly declared some men worth less than others. That decreased the power of the slave holders relative to a 5/5ths counting of the slaves, but increased the South's power relative to 0/5ths. It was a necessary compromise to getting the Constitution ratified.

    At any rate, the Constitution was racist because it explicitly condones slavery and proclaims blacks as inferior human beings. The 3/5 compromise just isn't the best example of it.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I agree with that to an extent - the better non-racist ratio was probably 0/5ths, because the South shouldn't have been allocated Congressional seats based on their slave populations. But I think what sticks with people is the fact that the Constitution - of the country which declared "all men are created equal" - explicitly declared some men worth less than others. That decreased the power of the slave holders relative to a 5/5ths counting of the slaves, but increased the South's power relative to 0/5ths. It was a necessary compromise to getting the Constitution ratified.

    At any rate, the Constitution was racist because it explicitly condones slavery and proclaims blacks as inferior human beings. The 3/5 compromise just isn't the best example of it.
    You completely ignore my point... People believe the 3/5 clause was based on racism because our schools never bothered to teach them any different. It was a compromise to prevent the pro-slavery south from using their slaves to get more pro-slavery representation in congress.

    * Most people have no idea that the importation of slaves was to become illegal in 20 years from the ratification (in 1808) as per the constitution...

    * Most people have no Idea that congress moved to totally outlaw slavery the very first day when that 20 years was up.

    * Most people have never heard of the Act of 1807 that congress passed, which was a comprehensive attempt to close the slave trade. By passing the law, Congress gave all slave traders nine months to close down their operations in the United States.

    * Most people have never heard of the Act of 1819 that congress passed, which changed the direction of the suppression of the slave trade. The focus was then in part on the injustice of enslaving someone who deserved to be free. In part, the law implicitly condemned American slavery itself, and for the first time in the nation's history, the United States committed to spending money to help Africans regain their liberty.

    * Most people have never heard of the Act of 1820 passed by congress, which declared that any American citizen engaging in the African slave trade "shall be adjudged a pirate; and on conviction thereof before the circuit court of the United States for the district wherein he shall be brought or found, shall suffer death."


    You see my point?

    School children aren't taught about how hotly this issue was contested, how vehemently it was opposed, how it almost prevented the union from forming, and how steps were taken right from the beginning to pave the way for the eventual abolishment of slavery... Kids are taught the same way I was back in the 70's that by implication slavery was as American as apple pie, was a fully accepted and uncontested practice back in 1776, and that didn't change until President Lincoln took office. They have no idea that the founding fathers were faced with having a union and accepting slavery, or abolishing the slave trade and having no union at all. Our children need to know this information, rather than growing up believing that every one of our founding fathers were racists that believed black people were property to be bought, sold and used by white men.

    It's called "balance".

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    You completely ignore my point... People believe the 3/5 clause was based on racism because our schools never bothered to teach them any different.
    It was based on racism. The southern states were given political representation based on the people living there but those people were not given political representation. The entire reason for doing this was because of slavery, which if you haven't noticed, was racist.

    Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several states which may be included within this union, according to their respective numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole number of free persons, including those bound to service for a term of years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.
    What is not racist about counting people who were born in the country (ie should be citizens) as 3/5 a person because they were slaves?

    School children aren't taught about how hotly this issue was contested, how vehemently it was opposed, how it almost prevented the union from forming, and how steps were taken right from the beginning to pave the way for the eventual abolishment of slavery... Kids are taught the same way I was back in the 70's that by implication slavery was as American as apple pie, was a fully accepted and uncontested practice back in 1776, and that didn't change until President Lincoln took office. They have no idea that the founding fathers were faced with having a union and accepting slavery, or abolishing the slave trade and having no union at all. Our children need to know this information, rather than growing up believing that every one of our founding fathers were racists that believed black people were property to be bought, sold and used by white men.
    Bull crap. I was taught that and students today are taught that. They are taught about the Abolitionist Movement, John Brown, the reasons for the 3/5 clause, etc

    This is the exact type of BS that this wingnut school board is trying to push. It makes it clear that the entire motivation is a political scam
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Again, that is not documentation, that is simply your impression. I want facts, not some random guys opinions of what he heard of from who knows where,
    First of all, it was NOT my opinion ... it was the opinion of the Superintendent of the School District involved.

    If you want facts, get them ... write to the school and ask them. I clearly told you it was what I heard at a briefing from the school district. If you don't want to believe it, or you want to ignore it, feel free. After all, why would you possibly want additional information, particularly when it shows your ilk in a bad light?
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    You have no idea what you're talking about.
    Oh, I know what I'm talking about .... I've dealt with narrow-minded people forever.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It is stupid to think that every american history class should teach about the first three presidents.
    They were SOOOOOO unimportant.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by GBFAN View Post
    They were SOOOOOO unimportant.
    I can't speak for your kids, but mine don't need to learn the same thing every year. By the time they reach HS, they've had at least 8 years of history. If someone's kid doesn't know about the first three presidents by then, it's not the curriculums' fault

    But maybe the kids of right wingers have to re-learn addition and subtraction every year. After all, those are important too.
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