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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, she didn't say that at all.
    She didn't have to... Only someone with a partisan agenda would think she didn't want to teach slavery in history classes as you did... The whole point of that ammendment by the school board was to promote positive things about the US and slavery as well as the A-Bomb are historic issues where there are things that reflect positively on the nation, not just negative.

    I realize that balance can be counter productive in the liberal indoctrination process, but oh well.... You can win them all.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    She didn't have to...
    She didn't have to say that schools should teach about slavery

    Do you see the irony yet?
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    The many Amerindian tribes had the same goal of "Maifest Destiny" as did the Euros. The Pueblo Indians were exterminated wholesale before Spanish can into the territory. The Displaced Apaches exterminated those tribes until they were defeated.

    However, victorious Native Tribes did not have policy of giving their defeated enemies reservations with government benefits---they usually just killed the men and took some the women and children as war booty. Native Americans were wiping each other out long before Columbus---and that was over the entire landmass of the Americas.

    The real history of America leaves out all the ugly details of fighting and genocide---unless it was White-on-Them.

    I support a real and honest coverage of all people in history---all held to the very same standards as Whitey.
    Uh, the Pueblo Revolt took place in 1680 against the Spanish...

    The "Apache" were a confederation of southwestern tribes that lasted until the 19th century. And American Indians knew nothing of Manifest Destiny. YOu really have no idea what the hell you're talking about.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    She didn't have to say that schools should teach about slavery

    Do you see the irony yet?
    What's amazing is the fact you still stand by your lie and continue to falsely claim that she said she was against teaching slavery, when no such quote, or anything even remotely resembling that quote, exists anywhere.

    Your entire argument is based on a lie of your own making, and one in which you refuse to retract... That just pathetic as far as I'm concerned.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    What's amazing is the fact you still stand by your lie and continue to falsely claim that she said she was against teaching slavery, when no such quote, or anything even remotely resembling that quote, exists anywhere.
    Equally "amazing" is that you stand by your lie that she was referring to the "attempts to end slavery by congress with The Act of 1807, The Act of 1818, The Act of 1819 and The Act of 1820" when no such quote, or anything even remotely resembling that quote, exists anywhere.

    Still don't see the irony, huh?
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    They never said that protests are wrong or should not be condoned... They said that school shouldn't "encourage or condone civil disorder, social strike or disregard of the law."

    Translated, that means that breaking store front windows to protest tax breaks for the rich shouldn't be encouraged... That setting fire to homes and busineses to protest against the actions of a police officer shouldn't be taught as acceptable behavior... That denying someone their right to speak at a public event, because you may not agree with what they are saying, isn't keeping with the principals that this nation was founded upon.

    There is a right way and a wrong way to express disagreement and they obviously want to make sure that schools are teaching children the correct way to express grievances, and not promoting acts of violence and lawlessness.
    Here's what the cons on the school board wanted:
    The school board proposal that triggered the walkouts in Jefferson County calls of instructional materials that present positive aspects of the nation and its heritage. It would establish a committee to regularly review texts and course plans, starting with Advanced Placement history, to make sure materials "promote citizenship, patriotism, essentials and benefits of the free-market system, respect for authority and respect for individual rights" and don't "encourage or condone civil disorder, social strike or disregard of the law."
    That last part is what you quoted. So the American revolution was wrong then. So Lincoln should have just allowed the south to sucede. So, millions in the streets to stop the Vietnam war (who turned out to be right) was a bad idea; 50,000 more to "stop commuhnissam!!" would have been the right move.

    And where do American history educational material say that, "That setting fire to homes and busineses to protest against the actions of a police officer shouldn't be taught as acceptable behavior"? And what cop are you talking about?

    The right way and the wrong way to expres diagreement; wow, we owe England a huuuuge apology.

    They said that school shouldn't "encourage or condone civil disorder, social strike or disregard of the law."
    Where in the curicculum does it say that? Got a page reference?
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Equally "amazing" is that you stand by your lie that she was referring to the "attempts to end slavery by congress with The Act of 1807, The Act of 1818, The Act of 1819 and The Act of 1820" when no such quote, or anything even remotely resembling that quote, exists anywhere.

    Still don't see the irony, huh?
    I stand corrected... The law of 1818 shoud not have been included.


    The act of 1807:

    The 1807 act was a comprehensive attempt to close the slave trade. By passing the law in March, Congress gave all slave traders nine months to close down their operations in the United States.


    The act of 1819:

    This act changed the direction of the suppression of the trade. The focus was now in part on the injustice of enslaving someone who deserved to be free. In part, the law now implicitly condemned American slavery itself. If it was wrong - unlawful - to enslave an African after 1819, why, someone might ask, was it not wrong to enslave an African before 1808? And if the original enslavement was morally wrong, then what was the basis of holding the descendants of that person in slavery? The act also took the United States out of the business of marketing slaves. Before 1819 confiscated slaves were sold under the laws of the states where they ended up. Naval crews and informants were in part compensated from the sale of these people. Now the taxpayers compensated naval crews and informants through bounties and the Africans went home. This was a dramatic change in American policy. For the first time in the nation's history, the United States was willing to spend money to help Africans regain their liberty.

    The act of 1820:

    The key element of the law were two sections declaring that any American citizen engaging in the African slave trade "shall be adjudged a pirate; and on conviction thereof before the circuit court of the United States for the district wherein he shall be brought or found, shall suffer death." The same language was applied to non-Americans found on board slavers owned or commissioned by Americans. This law was to be in force for only two years, but on January 3, 1823, Congress made it a permanent statute. This was a dramatic and important change in U.S. policy.

    I lied huh?

    If you can't be honest, you aren't worth wasting my time over.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    This nation's foundation wasn't "built on civil protests". What do you consider to be the foundation of this nation?
    Well, Bunker Hill started as a civil protest didn't it. Actually by then the North Carolinians had beat the English at Moore's Creek Bridge by then. The Regulators too had been on a "terrorists campaign" as well. Their executions just pissed everybody off even more.

    When you say, "foundation of the nation", we could start with the Declaration of Independence; not exactly a very patriotic announcment at the time: a bit like the Declaration of Aborath in 1392, also not very patriotic toward the British. Of course by the time of our declaration, so much violence had been committed against the King's troops and his loyalists, that declaring a separation was of course the only logical conclusion to be reached. Outside of those examples your question is sort of vague I'm afraid.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    I stand corrected... The law of 1818 shoud not have been included.


    The act of 1807:

    The 1807 act was a comprehensive attempt to close the slave trade. By passing the law in March, Congress gave all slave traders nine months to close down their operations in the United States.


    The act of 1819:

    This act changed the direction of the suppression of the trade. The focus was now in part on the injustice of enslaving someone who deserved to be free. In part, the law now implicitly condemned American slavery itself. If it was wrong - unlawful - to enslave an African after 1819, why, someone might ask, was it not wrong to enslave an African before 1808? And if the original enslavement was morally wrong, then what was the basis of holding the descendants of that person in slavery? The act also took the United States out of the business of marketing slaves. Before 1819 confiscated slaves were sold under the laws of the states where they ended up. Naval crews and informants were in part compensated from the sale of these people. Now the taxpayers compensated naval crews and informants through bounties and the Africans went home. This was a dramatic change in American policy. For the first time in the nation's history, the United States was willing to spend money to help Africans regain their liberty.

    The act of 1820:

    The key element of the law were two sections declaring that any American citizen engaging in the African slave trade "shall be adjudged a pirate; and on conviction thereof before the circuit court of the United States for the district wherein he shall be brought or found, shall suffer death." The same language was applied to non-Americans found on board slavers owned or commissioned by Americans. This law was to be in force for only two years, but on January 3, 1823, Congress made it a permanent statute. This was a dramatic and important change in U.S. policy.

    I lied huh?

    If you can't be honest, you aren't worth wasting my time over.
    I didn't see any of the above acts mentioned in her statement so yeah, you lied
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Here's what the cons on the school board wanted:


    That last part is what you quoted. So the American revolution was wrong then. So Lincoln should have just allowed the south to sucede. So, millions in the streets to stop the Vietnam war (who turned out to be right) was a bad idea; 50,000 more to "stop commuhnissam!!" would have been the right move.

    And where do American history educational material say that, "That setting fire to homes and busineses to protest against the actions of a police officer shouldn't be taught as acceptable behavior"? And what cop are you talking about?

    The right way and the wrong way to expres diagreement; wow, we owe England a huuuuge apology.



    Where in the curicculum does it say that? Got a page reference?
    So let me guess... You are now claiming that the school board doesn't was the history of the Civil War taught?

    Good lord...

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