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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    Typical liberal response: no evidence to back their claims.

    Hardly a "Pro-USA" textbook. The authors' point of view crystallizes into anything but an American viewpoint. The authors write, "In 1900 a superpatriotic group known as the 'Boxers' broke loose with the cry, 'Kill Foreign Devils'." Not once do the authors call the Boxer Rebellion a 'discriminatory insensitive action on the part of the Chinese'. Instead, the authors note "patriotic Chinese" formed to kick out foreigners [Boxer Rebellion]. Previously in the text is the Chinese immigration into the United States around the 1880s. Chinese immigration in the United States culminated with passing the Chinese Exclusion Act (barring Chinese immigration). The text describes this act as a "discriminatory measure" and that Americans were acting out of "ethnic prejudice." Although it may be seem discriminatory, it was also realistic. Americans in the Golden State complained about competing Chinese immigrants for jobs and wages (as the Chinese would work for cheap). There is an obvious slant and bias here.
    Republicans & Conservatives: Proof of Liberal History Textbooks
    Quotes from the author of the blog you linked to:

    "Surely a president is more remarkable than an Indian in our nation's history." Surely? Why? And isn't that statement pretty racist? Are you really suggesting we take this guy's advice on the writing of history books?

    "Hardly a "Pro-USA" textbook. The authors' point of view crystallizes into anything but an American viewpoint." Why should we have a "Pro-USA textbook"? Shouldn't we have a "accurate and balanced textbook"? This guy is claiming bias when he is most certainly biased himself

    "Our country will perish if the youth are not taught how great our forefathers were." Wow. Nationalistic brainwashing, pure and simple. Maybe some of them were great, maybe some of them were good, maybe some were mediocre or worse. Isn't that what should be taught so that the students can come to their own conclusion on collective "greatness" or the lack thereof?

    Major fail by the right in bringing this blogger in on their side.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Let us know when you come up with a way to teach slavery in a positive light
    Whether you truly don't get it, or as I suspect, you're just playing games, let me enlighten you...

    We all know slavery was wrong, but what isn't taught in most classrooms is why slavery was allowed to continue in the first place, the purpose behind the 3/5 clause, and the attempts to end slavery by congress with The Act of 1807, The Act of 1818, The Act of 1819 and The Act of 1820.

    What few are taught (I know I surely wasn't back in the early 70's), was how many people opposed it, how bitterly it was fought over by the framers, and the steps that were taken in both the Constitution and legislatively to end slavery without dividing the nation. Those are things that children deserve to know, but few do.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Seriously? Because she never said that slavery shouldn't be taught in history class... That's kind of a no-brainer.
    I think she's saying that slavery should be taught in a patriotic, pro-USA manner. Perhaps Cliven Bundy is working on a draft as we speak . . . . . .

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Whether you truly don't get it, or as I suspect, you're just playing games, let me enlighten you...

    We all know slavery was wrong, but what isn't taught in most classrooms is why slavery was allowed to continue in the first place, the purpose behind the 3/5 clause, and the attempts to end slavery by congress with The Act of 1807, The Act of 1818, The Act of 1819 and The Act of 1820.

    What few are taught (I know I surely wasn't back in the early 70's), was how many people opposed it, how bitterly it was fought over by the framers, and the steps that were taken in both the Constitution and legislatively to end slavery without dividing the nation. Those are things that children deserve to know, but few do.
    So you are claiming that the students aren't taught that there was no opposition to slavery?

    Proof?
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So you are claiming that the students aren't taught that there was no opposition to slavery?

    Proof?
    How can you read what Grim wrote and ask that question?

    Honest history teaches who and why some supported slavery and teaches that the vast majority opposed it. Honest history teaches why slavery is such a terrible thing and indefensible politically, morally, or ethically while at the same time, our nation did its best to correct the wrongs that were done, and today's descendants of slaves most likely are far better off than they would have been had they been born in their ancestors' home countries. Honest history teaches about the eleven years of discussion, theory, thought, and debate that went into the original Constitution and why it was necessary to allow the slave states to continue to be slave states so that a new nation could be forged. Honest history places things into perspective that everything that is legal is not necessarily right, but we all likely live under some laws we disagree with even as we hope to change them.

    Honest history does not teach the modern liberal mantra that the Founders can be dismissed and scorned because slavery existed at they time they lived and forged the Constitution and therefore they were all evil and wrong.

    Honest history does not judge on a moral basis but rather judges on cause and effect, both the intended and unintended positive consequences and unintended negative consequences.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    I think she's saying that slavery should be taught in a patriotic, pro-USA manner. Perhaps Cliven Bundy is working on a draft as we speak . . . . . .
    Your attempt to insult aside, just because slavery was allowed doesn't mean there weren't attempts right from the days of our founding to have it abolished. From our founding until the civil war, America moved stedily in the direction of freedom not slavery. Everyone knows slavery was wrong, but our kids need to also know that there were many who fought against it from day one.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So you are claiming that the students aren't taught that there was no opposition to slavery?

    Proof?
    I'm telling you based on my own personal experiences in the public school system. All that woman was saying is that there were positive things that America did to abolish slavery right from the beginning... Things that along with the bad, should be included.

    That's all she was saying.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    All that woman was saying is that there were positive things that America did to abolish slavery right from the beginning... Things that along with the bad, should be included.

    That's all she was saying.
    No, she didn't say that at all.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no the founders wrote to the king to hear their grievances several times, which he did not listen too.

    then they took the road of revolution, not the road of protest.

    its time you read history instead of spouting non -sense, and being constantly wrong.
    So... they weren't patriotic toward their king then. Rather than simply demonstrate by walking out, they chose illegal acts, including the burning of homes, the dumping of the king's tea adn outright shooting British soldiers. They chose to take up arms against their government.

    So, tell me how these high school students were wrong again.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    imo, what is lacking today in many teachings is including the historical context of the subject.

    The question should be does the lesson plan include what was the social acceptable norm at the time, why it was and why the social norm has change (if it has).

    If the leason plan does not, then it is lacking in content.

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