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Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum changes that would promote patriotism | Fox News

I'm with the students on this one. Complete bs on the part of that school board. No curriculum should be biased or censored, just straight facts.
So what exactly is being opposed?

Let's see a student-published list of grievences, an itemised list of precice examples they have a problem with. What is the ISBN of a book containing objectionable material and what are the page numbers spisific examples can be found?
 
Good for them. I had the best history education in high school. It is one of the most important subjects and should not be used as a tool to manipulate youth.
 
So what exactly is being opposed?

Let's see a student-published list of grievences, an itemised list of precice examples they have a problem with. What is the ISBN of a book containing objectionable material and what are the page numbers spisific examples can be found?

What is being opposed is a school board created panel of hand-picked people to review the curriculum and censor the parts they don't like even though the district already has a panel that reviews the curriculum.
 
respect for authority = respect for the law.



I have yet to see the majority of people show any kind of respect for the ACA, which is a law or President Obama, who has the most authority in the country. :shrug: But it's cool to disrespect the laws or people you don't agree with, right?



by not following the constitution.

changing the healthcare law, only congress can change, delay law.

by not enforcing all federal laws...........the constitution states ...the president "shall".......it does not say "may"



Why can't you just respect the law that was changed by authority? If there was a chance to change the healthcare law back by a civil protest or to impeach the president who didn't follow the constitution by a civil disorder, would you?
 
What is being opposed is a school board created panel of hand-picked people to review the curriculum and censor the parts they don't like even though the district already has a panel that reviews the curriculum.
What, exactly, was censored? What parts?
 
So what exactly is being opposed?

Let's see a student-published list of grievences, an itemised list of precice examples they have a problem with.

Item 1: Do not censor or distort historical textbooks to promote a particular political ideology of right wing nationalism that ignores the mistakes the United States has made and which encourages unquestioning deference to authority rather than acknowledging the positive changes that have occurred due to civil unrest and protest.

Will that suffice?
 
Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

I would expect this out of a Texas school district, not a Colorado one.

Yeah, that caught me off guard too.
 
I have yet to see the majority of people show any kind of respect for the ACA, which is a law or President Obama, who has the most authority in the country. :shrug: But it's cool to disrespect the laws or people you don't agree with, right?

respect for the law, means to obey law........you don't have to like the law, just observe it.


Why can't you just respect the law that was changed by authority? If there was a chance to change the healthcare law back by a civil protest or to impeach the president who didn't follow the constitution by a civil disorder, would you?

you are quoting me on the president's actions on the ACA law.

where he has no authority to change the law or delay the law, his duty is to faithfully execute the law, which is why the Constitution states...the president "shall"
 
Item 1: Do not censor or distort historical textbooks to promote a particular political ideology of right wing nationalism that ignores the mistakes the United States has made and which encourages unquestioning deference to authority rather than acknowledging the positive changes that have occurred due to civil unrest and protest.

Will that suffice?

Do you have a link to this? He asked for a "student-published list of grievances".

I have 3 high schoolers, all smart and get very good grades. None of them would be able to string that sentence together without adult prompting. Nor would any of their friends that I know, which number in the hundreds.

This is a generation of kids who learned to spell on PCs with spell check and grammar check, and who spend more time typing on their smart phones and playing Xbox.
 
That's like asking "How many death panel hearings has the IPAB had so far?"
If no one knows what exactly is being protested, how do we theres anything to protest at all?

Liberals using children again?
 
Do you have a link to this? He asked for a "student-published list of grievances".

I have 3 high schoolers, all smart and get very good grades. None of them would be able to string that sentence together without adult prompting. Nor would any of their friends that I know, which number in the hundreds.

This is a generation of kids who learned to spell on PCs with spell check and grammar check, and who spend more time typing on their smart phones and playing Xbox.

Is this like a splinter-Festivus group?
 
Perhaps everyone should focus a curriculum in History based on 'History'. History is not a study of yesterday steered by a liberal OR a conservative bent. History is what it is. Or rather, what it was. Attempting to attach a philosophy or perspective is something best done in a sociology or philosophy class.
 
Good for them. I had the best history education in high school. It is one of the most important subjects and should not be used as a tool to manipulate youth.
One of the best professors I had would ask people in discussion groups what their opinion was on historical matters and you were graded on your ability to demonstrate critical thinking and knowledge of the historical event. Then for the written assignment, you had to write a paper presenting an opposing viewpoint. There was no expectation that you change your mind...merely that you truly study history.
 
Do you have a link to this? He asked for a "student-published list of grievances".

I have 3 high schoolers, all smart and get very good grades. None of them would be able to string that sentence together without adult prompting. Nor would any of their friends that I know, which number in the hundreds.

This is a generation of kids who learned to spell on PCs with spell check and grammar check, and who spend more time typing on their smart phones and playing Xbox.

Nah. My words. I was just being a smart ass because I did not like Jerry's insinuation there was nothing to protest.
 
Nah. My words. I was just being a smart ass because I did not like Jerry's insinuation there was nothing to protest.

Okay, but Jerry's question is sort of a good one.

I've read a lot of posts in this thread about how neat and great it is that the students are protesting. I'd like to see something that shows they know exactly what it is that they're protesting. Specifics about what's being cut or added or censored, what specifically they object to, etc. From the students, I mean. I've not seen anything, and again having 3 high schoolers, I know they would jump at a chance to protest if it meant, as my eldest said, missing classes and pissing off the principal.
 
One of the best professors I had would ask people in discussion groups what their opinion was on historical matters and you were graded on your ability to demonstrate critical thinking and knowledge of the historical event. Then for the written assignment, you had to write a paper presenting an opposing viewpoint. There was no expectation that you change your mind...merely that you truly study history.

All my college history professors were ultra liberal and assigned incredibly biased books to read. I would just read the chapter titles and write what I knew the professors wanted to hear and I do not think I ever got less than a 95% on a paper.
 
All my college history professors were ultra liberal and assigned incredibly biased books to read. I would just read the chapter titles and write what I knew the professors wanted to hear and I do not think I ever got less than a 95% on a paper.

Therein lays the problem with institutions of supposed higher education today...And (depending on when you went through college) in today's costs roughly $8K per semester to have some liberal progressive goof ball rake in a 6 digit salary from the University to attempt to screw up minds instead of teach.
 
Overall, I think we see the problem here...question the liberal progressive path in education today, and boom! They get all upset....Tells me that the conservatives in CO. are on the right path.
 
Okay, but Jerry's question is sort of a good one.

I've read a lot of posts in this thread about how neat and great it is that the students are protesting. I'd like to see something that shows they know exactly what it is that they're protesting. Specifics about what's being cut or added or censored, what specifically they object to, etc. From the students, I mean. I've not seen anything, and again having 3 high schoolers, I know they would jump at a chance to protest if it meant, as my eldest said, missing classes and pissing off the principal.

That is kind of true of adults as well. I know many people who want a chance to protest as an excuse to miss work or as an "F you" to the powers of society. Protest tends to be more emotionally guided than intellectually guided. A few intellectual leaders usually tend to rise to become the voices and spokesman of the movement and the rest will parrot their words and talking points.
 
Overall, I think we see the problem here...question the liberal progressive path in education today, and boom! They get all upset....Tells me that the conservatives in CO. are on the right path.

Nah. They are just trying to do the same things the liberal progressives have done, which makes it worse because now they are hypocrites.
 
Nah. They are just trying to do the same things the liberal progressives have done, which makes it worse because now they are hypocrites.

Maybe, but the solution to that, is to do nothing and allow the subversive indoctrination of our children by lib/progs embedded in the education system...At some point that has to change.
 
Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

From your link:

It was March 5, 1770, a snowy night, when a couple of young boys began throwing snowballs at soldiers. As the crowd grew larger people continued to throw ice and taunt them.

From the same link (you should have read it to get some details, which you will see are EXACTLY what I said):

On March 5, 1770 at approximately 9:00 pm an angry crowd approached sentry Hugh White standing on guard outside of the Customs House. By this time the agitators have already been in another street brawl were ready for action. One of the leaders, Edward Garrick started insulting private White, saying among other things that his company commander was a cheat and did not pay him for a wig. In perhaps the most critical mistake of this evening, White allowed himself to get involved in the quarrel and struck Garrick in the face with the butt of a musket. From there the situation quickly escalated. Despite the reinforcements and the actions taken by captain Preston trying to control the crowd, the angry mob was getting out of control. The seven British solders tried to take White to safety but could not reach him and were forced to defend themselves. Some of the attackers were waving clubs and throwing stones. At some point somebody yelled “You sons of bitches to fire! You can’t kill us all! Fire! Whey don’t you fire? You dare not fire!”

In the next few minutes the violence reached its peak. One of the attackers threw a club at private Hugh Montgomery, knocking him off his feet. Rising, Montgomery fired a shot into the air. He was stricken again with a club and Montgomery had no choice but to point his gun at the attacker, Richard Palmes who quickly fled. At the same time another soldier Private Matthew Killroy pointed his musket at the other two attackers, Edward Langford and Samuel Gray. “God damn you, don’t fire!” Gray called out. Probably the anger and the fear of being beaten by a club like his fellow solder, private Killroy pulled the trigger mortally wounding Gray. More shots were fired and more people fell to the ground wounded or dead, leaving the aftermath of 5 civilian deaths.


Boston Massacre Historical Society

You should have quit while you weren't so humiliated.

I saw all that. You said it wasn't a labor dispute. I showed you that it was.
 
If no one knows what exactly is being protested, how do we theres anything to protest at all?

I already told you what is being protested.

Liberals using children again?

Yeah, the right would never do that
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Okay, but Jerry's question is sort of a good one.

I've read a lot of posts in this thread about how neat and great it is that the students are protesting. I'd like to see something that shows they know exactly what it is that they're protesting. Specifics about what's being cut or added or censored, what specifically they object to, etc. From the students, I mean. I've not seen anything, and again having 3 high schoolers, I know they would jump at a chance to protest if it meant, as my eldest said, missing classes and pissing off the principal.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Jefferson-County-School-Board-Watch/1380143802251913
 
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