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Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

Fiddytree said:
You did enough to post to me about it this time and other times before. You cared enough to post probably thousands of times about your rather misguided perception of progressivism.

Besides, it's not as if a self-described libertarian could fault the progressives for being awash in idealistic fantasies with any degree of seriousness.
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I'm not posting to you, I only post when I'm bored.
 
 
Fiddytree said:
That's a given. Every 4-8 years there's a cheerleading competition. Then on the sidelines, there's a group that wants to point out the hysteria of the two groups. Further behind them are the few who say it must be so and let them bicker. I'm the last, the libertarians and the independents tend to be the third.



It's all indoctrination, or socialization if you want a tamer word.

It's fine though. We hammer out the details, and it becomes moderated.... conservative. Just as it should be. Patriotism and nationalism mold with various amounts of critical thinking and minority consciousness. Life goes on.
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The thing is, it's not patriotism they want to teach.
 
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jet57 said:
Boston Massacre Historical Society



OMFingGoding isn't going to help you. It was much more than a fight.
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From your link:

It was March 5, 1770, a snowy night, when a couple of young boys began throwing snowballs at soldiers. As the crowd grew larger people continued to throw ice and taunt them.

From the same link (you should have read it to get some details, which you will see are EXACTLY what I said):

On March 5, 1770 at approximately 9:00 pm an angry crowd approached sentry Hugh White standing on guard outside of the Customs House. By this time the agitators have already been in another street brawl were ready for action. One of the leaders, Edward Garrick started insulting private White, saying among other things that his company commander was a cheat and did not pay him for a wig. In perhaps the most critical mistake of this evening, White allowed himself to get involved in the quarrel and struck Garrick in the face with the butt of a musket. From there the situation quickly escalated. Despite the reinforcements and the actions taken by captain Preston trying to control the crowd, the angry mob was getting out of control. The seven British solders tried to take White to safety but could not reach him and were forced to defend themselves. Some of the attackers were waving clubs and throwing stones. At some point somebody yelled “You sons of bitches to fire! You can’t kill us all! Fire! Whey don’t you fire? You dare not fire!”

In the next few minutes the violence reached its peak. One of the attackers threw a club at private Hugh Montgomery, knocking him off his feet. Rising, Montgomery fired a shot into the air. He was stricken again with a club and Montgomery had no choice but to point his gun at the attacker, Richard Palmes who quickly fled. At the same time another soldier Private Matthew Killroy pointed his musket at the other two attackers, Edward Langford and Samuel Gray. “God damn you, don’t fire!” Gray called out. Probably the anger and the fear of being beaten by a club like his fellow solder, private Killroy pulled the trigger mortally wounding Gray. More shots were fired and more people fell to the ground wounded or dead, leaving the aftermath of 5 civilian deaths.


Boston Massacre Historical Society

You should have quit while you weren't so humiliated.
 
SheWolf said:
Why are conservatives trying to teach respect of authority and patriotism when they are anti government? :lol:

I have noticed that they obey and follow authority and government leadership when it's conservative. For example, I remember Fox News screaming at Bush Admin protestors as being "unAmerican." But if you're antigovernment or small government, shouldn't you be critical of all forms of government? It doesn't make sense to me.

I suspect the patriotism crap they hope to teach is anti-immigrant or "real America" indoctrination too. BS.
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You seriously have no idea what the difference is between being for small government and disrespecting the United States?
 
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sangha said:
So you support the school boards call to indoctrinate the students with patriotism because you oppose indoctrination!! :lamo
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Only a liberal would see the act of instilling a sense of national pride in our school children, as a form of political indoctrination.

Good grief.
 
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Grim17 said:
Only a liberal would see the act of instilling a sense of national pride in our school children, as a form of political indoctrination.

Good grief.
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Only a right winger would not
 
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Grim17 said:
Only a liberal would see the act of instilling a sense of national pride in our school children, as a form of political indoctrination.

Good grief.
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The act of instilling a sense of national pride is in fact... indoctrination.
 
tres borrachos said:
You seriously have no idea what the difference is between being for small government and disrespecting the United States?
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Do you think civil protests disrespect the government? Do you think we could obtain a smaller government without a fight or civil protests? If so - how??
 
americanwoman said:
Do you think civil protests disrespect the government? Do you think we could obtain a smaller government without a fight or civil protests? If so - how??
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I didn't say anything about civil protests in my post, which was purely about the difference between being for small government (which isn't the same as "anti-government", and which most real conservatives advocate) and disrespecting the United States (the opposite of patriotism) . It was in response to a post that said this:

Why are conservatives trying to teach respect of authority and patriotism when they are anti government?

I don't advocate "fights". I advocate electing people who are smart enough to do the right thing, and agendas that don't bloat the government.
 
tres borrachos said:
I don't advocate "fights". I advocate electing people who are smart enough to do the right thing, and agendas that don't bloat the government.
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I wish intelligence had something to do with it. All of the members of congress are smart enough to do the right thing. Yet none of them do it. What we need is single term limits to eliminate the corruption surrounding re-elections.
 
tres borrachos said:
Why are conservatives trying to teach respect of authority and patriotism when they are anti government?

I don't advocate "fights". I advocate electing people who are smart enough to do the right thing, and agendas that don't bloat the government.
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I just think if we want a smaller government we are going to have to fight for it. Electing "different" people are not enough when the system has already been corrupted. We should respect our country and our government based on their actions, not because we have been taught at government schools to do so.
 
fmw said:
I wish intelligence had something to do with it. All of the members of congress are smart enough to do the right thing. Yet none of them do it. What we need is single term limits to eliminate the corruption surrounding re-elections.
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Something like that. There has to be a better way to make these people act as they should.
 
fmw said:
I wish intelligence had something to do with it. All of the members of congress are smart enough to do the right thing. Yet none of them do it. What we need is single term limits to eliminate the corruption surrounding re-elections.
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Something needs to be done. Why on earth does a person running for a senate seat in Iowa needs 2.5 million dollars to run? Now I am not trying to call her in particular out, this is about all of them. I just picked up on her because I was watching highlights of her debate this morning so she stuck out.

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Those people are not giving her(or any of them) tens of thousands of dollars to break the mold and 'do the right thing'.
 
Give the authority for curriculum back to the local community, and get the Fed's out of education.
 
tres borrachos said:
Something like that. There has to be a better way to make these people act as they should.
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It will require political force. We are dealing with corruption. Asking them to do the right thing obviously won't work.
 
americanwoman said:
Something needs to be done. Why on earth does a person running for a senate seat in Iowa needs 2.5 million dollars to run? Now I am not trying to call her in particular out, this is about all of them. I just picked up on her because I was watching highlights of her debate this morning so she stuck out.

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Those people are not giving her(or any of them) tens of thousands of dollars to break the mold and 'do the right thing'.
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You got that right. If we could get voters to vote out incumbents that would do it but voters have never been willing to do that. They view all of congress as corrupt except their guy. I think the force of law is required.
 
for some reason people see the words different then i do, i see it this way.

citizenship = be knowledgeable on your government, vote and take part in the governmental process.

patriotism = the love of ones country, to take pride in it and to protect it from harm.

respect for authority = respect for the law.

respect for individual rights = this is self explanatory

encourage or condone civil disorder, social strike or disregard of the law = this is self explanatory
 
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I would expect this out of a Texas school district, not a Colorado one.
 
fmw said:
You got that right. If we could get voters to vote out incumbents that would do it but voters have never been willing to do that. They view all of congress as corrupt except their guy. I think the force of law is required.
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I'm not voting for either of my DC incumbents, nor am I voting for my incumbent governor.
 
tres borrachos said:
I encourage you to stage a bloodless coup. I can't and won't.
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Sorry, I didn't say it correctly. By political force I mean forcing things on the political system through the law. I wasn't referring to a coup. I was referring to single term limits. My bad.
 
fmw said:
Sorry, I didn't say it correctly. By political force I mean forcing things on the political system through the law. I wasn't referring to a coup. I was referring to single term limits. My bad.
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Gotcha.

Term limits I fully support. I also support an extension on the terms of our Congressional reps. They run for office (which takes months), get sworn in, do less than a full year of work, then spend year 2 in re-election mode. It's horrible nonsense.
 
fmw said:
Now if only we could get everybody to do the same thing.
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Dare to dream.;)

People bitch to high heaven, then go to the polls and select the same damn person every time. That's assuming he/she even votes, especially during midterm elections.
 
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