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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    That being said, these are slogans, and hopefully I could find what the standards actually say and perhaps a comparison with prior standards. Much of the time, I have a hard time believing that patriotism, respect for authority, and an examination of controversial ideas are not allowed or are not somehow a mainstay of the existing instruction.
    The actual standards have yet to be written, but the school board issued a statement saying that the curriculum should only include subjects that promote patriotism, respect for authority, etc. As an example, one of the school board members complained that the teaching of slavery would put the US in a bad light.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Actually no, I was not indoctrinated on the 'goodness of America' as I received an excellent education in history that included the good, the bad, the ugly, the mistakes, the successes, the missteps, the unintended good and bad results of what we as Americans have done. But were we encouraged to love and respect our country? Yes we were because that is what we, our parents, our school boards, our community, our local governments etc. believed to be edifying and important as citizens.
    Right there is the indoctrination, as was your mentions of the pledge of allegiance, and so forth. Again, indoctrination by itself is not all that horrible.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I'd agree with you there if that were at all humanly possible - it's not. Knowing that, I'd rather the bias be towards America rather than against it.
    The history of this nation is replete with ideological conflict. Hell, we fought a Civil War over such differences.

    While I think that the protests are an overblown reaction to an under thought out proposal I believe that the principle is correct. The proposal DOES suggest a particular agenda and that is, on it's face, inappropriate for a general history class.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    That's silly. Students aren't involved in school policy? Our school board thought of banning Perks of Being a Wallflower after conservative parents complained.

    We protested and retained the book.
    Protesting an action with reasoned argument is one thing. I myself have joined a community protest against a book banning. But were your teachers encouraging you to disrupt, walk out, or boycott the educational process because you didn't like something in a textbook? When thinking critically it is important to understand when one thing is not the same thing as another.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The actual standards have yet to be written, but the school board issued a statement saying that the curriculum should only include subjects that promote patriotism, respect for authority, etc.
    Yeah, that would depend on what they want to do with it. Which is why....

    As an example, one of the school board members complained that the teaching of slavery would put the US in a bad light.
    I find this part funny. Of course it would put the U.S. in a bad light for our modern morals and ethics.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum changes that would promote patriotism | Fox News









    I'm with the students on this one. Complete bs on the part of that school board. No curriculum should be biased or censored, just straight facts.
    They are probably too stoned to study.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    I don't consider "well, it's never happened before" to be legitimate backing for such a claim as yours. Besides, kids are involved in school policy all the time. It's kind of hard to disagree with them on this. The only ones who do, really, are those who like what is being taught. Authoritarian indoctrination is wrong no matter which wing of thought it favors. Education should be education, it should favor as little bias as possible.
    You are welcome to whatever you want to think. I do not believe for a minute that those kids initiated and implemented a protest that disrupted the educational process without some outside encouragement to do so.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    You are welcome to whatever you want to think. I do not believe for a minute that those kids initiated and implemented a protest that disrupted the educational process without some outside encouragement to do so.
    So what?
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    You are welcome to whatever you want to think. I do not believe for a minute that those kids initiated and implemented a protest that disrupted the educational process without some outside encouragement to do so.
    Oh it's "disrupting education" is it? Would you think differently if these kids were protesting the supposed "marxist" principles in school textbooks instead of blind nationalism and obedience to authority?

    At what point is the line drawn between "disrupting education" and standing up for your education? In that line only drawn only where you think there is legitimate protest?

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    I went to a Catholic school and would object to alot of the material that was fed to me. Yet, if I so much as questioned anything I was shut down right away by my parents, grandparents, the nuns, or the teachers. I was encouraged to believe what was taught, not to object and was made to feel guilty for questioning anything against the religion or anything to do with science. Maybe that's why this subject of children being indoctrinated is sensitive to me - I lived it and was able to overcome it but do not underestimate a child breaking away from the mold and objecting.
    I can't speak to your particular situation since that was not my experience. I'm sure a parochial school will push a particular point of view, and I am sure sometimes that does discourage critical thinking. I certainly know of fundamentalist schools that disallow challenge to the particular doctrine that is taught. My experience with Catholicism, however, was not at all restrictive and I was fully accepted even though I personally did not embrace much of the doctrine or tenets taught. So it isn't a one-size-fits-all world out there.

    Again, because I was taught to think and evaluate things critically, I personally challenged many things I found in textbooks over the years. Some of the stuff is just downright dumb. But I still don't believe for a minute that those kids read those textbooks and organized a walk out protest of their own volition. I am pretty sure that was organized by those intent on instilling a different kind of indoctrination into those kids.
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