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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Because HS students generally don't know **** about what their school board is deciding about curriculum unless some adult calls it to their attention. Typically with words such as, "Do you see the terrible thing they are trying to do to you?".
    We see the same Leftist activism in our local schools. This is not from the students themselves, but usually outside groups like the ACLU and Freedom from Religion-type Neo-Communist outfits----normally at the request of the student's relatives.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Indoctrination is indeed part of the modern government-controlled and/or heavily controlled schools populated with faculty and administration who embrace at least components of Marxism. It is not inevitable as I grew up in public schools in which indoctrination was no part of the curriculum or teach methodology.
    But you presumably were educated on the relative goodness of American civilization, its ideology, and its institutions, were you not? Welcome to indoctrination. We have all been indoctrinated, and it's fine. You just seem to be under the illusion that this is only really persistent among Left-wing adherents.

    And I don't believe for a minute that the idea originated with those kids.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Because I have up close and working knowledge of school system, faculties, administrations, and school kids. And in my ever increasing long life, I have NEVER known school kids to read and object to a text book in that way unless they were somehow encouraged to do that.
    That's silly. Students aren't involved in school policy? Our school board thought of banning Perks of Being a Wallflower after conservative parents complained.

    We protested and retained the book.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Because I have up close and working knowledge of school system, faculties, administrations, and school kids. And in my ever increasing long life, I have NEVER known school kids to read and object to a text book in that way unless they were somehow encouraged to do that.
    I don't consider "well, it's never happened before" to be legitimate backing for such a claim as yours. Besides, kids are involved in school policy all the time. It's kind of hard to disagree with them on this. The only ones who do, really, are those who like what is being taught. Authoritarian indoctrination is wrong no matter which wing of thought it favors. Education should be education, it should favor as little bias as possible.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Did they reject the desirability of America's "promise"? Reject the principles of inclusive democracy? Reject the desirability of what people see as the country's ideals? Were you asked to revolt?
    Nothing that extreme. Still, I feel like it did promote a liberal perspective, which I now find simplistic and don't really agree with anymore: a kind of nieve optimism that if we can just fix white people that the world will be hunky dory.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    I have 3 high schoolers who all get good grades and all play on high school sports teams and are all engaged in clubs.

    None of them even know we have a school board.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    But you presumably were educated on the relative goodness of American civilization, its ideology, and its institutions, were you not? Welcome to indoctrination. We have all been indoctrinated, and it's fine. You just seem to be under the illusion that this is only really persistent among Left-wing adherents.

    Neither do I.
    Actually no, I was not indoctrinated on the 'goodness of America' as I received an excellent education in history that included the good, the bad, the ugly, the mistakes, the successes, the missteps, the unintended good and bad results of what we as Americans have done. But were we encouraged to love and respect our country? Yes we were because that is what we, our parents, our school boards, our community, our local governments etc. believed to be edifying and important as citizens. So we recited the Pledge of Allegiance, saluted and demanded proper protocol for display and use of the flag, learned and sang patriotic (and religious) songs, were required to exercise respect for our elders and authority, and it was all good. Was that indoctrination? Or just exercise of our beliefs, culture, and sense of morality? At no step of the way were we ever discouraged from questioning or challenging anything and we were encouraged to critically evaluate everything.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Because I have up close and working knowledge of school system, faculties, administrations, and school kids. And in my ever increasing long life, I have NEVER known school kids to read and object to a text book in that way unless they were somehow encouraged to do that.
    I went to a Catholic school and would object to alot of the material that was fed to me. Yet, if I so much as questioned anything I was shut down right away by my parents, grandparents, the nuns, or the teachers. I was encouraged to believe what was taught, not to object and was made to feel guilty for questioning anything against the religion or anything to do with science. Maybe that's why this subject of children being indoctrinated is sensitive to me - I lived it and was able to overcome it but do not underestimate a child breaking away from the mold and objecting.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum changes that would promote patriotism | Fox News

    I'm with the students on this one. Complete bs on the part of that school board. No curriculum should be biased or censored, just straight facts.
    That might be a legitimate complaint... If the curriculum weren't already heavily biased and censored, simply from the opposite perspective.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I have 3 high schoolers who all get good grades and all play on high school sports teams and are all engaged in clubs.

    None of them even know we have a school board.
    In education committees that have youth involvement as a desired or required component, it is not uncommon for it to be difficult to secure involvement. Of course, many operations are during inconvenient times for youth, but all things being equal, youth engagement is certainly lacking. That's not to say that adult involvement is much to discuss either, but in terms of sheer presence, youth are not actively involved.
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