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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Oh. Well, never mind. Sort of. Stupid ass kids. Probably hopped up on dope.



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    What are you talking about? This is about high school students protesting.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by stockbrokers View Post
    Protest is the part of a democratic government. It is there right to protest our opinions are different from each other.
    Submitting your grievances to government is what that right is all about, leaving work and school to make more work for the street sweepers is far, far down on the chain if options. In any event, with rights come responsibilities. These yahoos have a responsibility to first submit and try to address their grievances with the government before going all mob.

    Every student who skipped class should be dinged, every teacher, fired.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by TobyOne View Post
    Stupid ass kids. Probably hopped up on dope.
    Seems like the school board is too.
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    Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum changes that would promote patriotism | Fox News







    I'm with the students on this one. Complete bs on the part of that school board. No curriculum should be biased or censored, just straight facts.
    I'll read the details in a short bit, but I must make it known that "just the facts" history doesn't actually exist, including public school curriculum. Over the past 20 years, for instance, there has been a rise in countering some of what historians would consider the liberal/conservative consensus in the post-war 20th century. The relatively recent (but still about 20 years) narrative has been that the United States history is about a constant revaluation of how it can fulfill its promise. This has been more about cultural pluralism, minority status, and civil rights activism than it had in the past.

    That's a narrative choice, bore from more than "just the facts."

    Now, broadly speaking, instilling patriotism, hardly a unique and detrimental aspect of existing public school social studies, is a good thing.

    After that, respect for authority, also not unique and detrimental in existing public school social studies, is a good thing.

    Downplaying the desirability of civil disobedience, while I am personally sympathetic toward that idea, is not really appropriate. I think at most we can bring forth the idea that civil disobedience is an inherently controversial tactic (thus entertaining why the tactics themselves may be seen as wrong, just as you would entertain why they are seen as right or justified).

    That being said, these are slogans, and hopefully I could find what the standards actually say and perhaps a comparison with prior standards. Much of the time, I have a hard time believing that patriotism, respect for authority, and an examination of controversial ideas are not allowed or are not somehow a mainstay of the existing instruction.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Okay I can agree but would you also agree that kind of subject matter would be more suited to social studies (is that even still a class??) rather than history? You don't need to teach historic civil unrests or protests with a bias, they should be taught as they really happened with no bias either way.
    History can't possibly be taught the way it really happened b/c there are ideological agendas to be pushed, and reputations to build up and tear down.

    To that end, "patriotic" history was scrapped decades ago, and in its place progressive social views, the teaching of "democracy", a loosely defined Constitution, Keynesian economics, etc, were introduced to move the people off of their firmly held beliefs related to republican government, federalism, nationalism, and patriotism.

    What is being taught today simply cannot be taught along side the principles of freedom, b/c they are diametrically opposed to the principles of freedom. Authoritarianism and liberty cannot coexist within the same society, or the same curriculum for obvious reasons - the advocates of liberty are constantly trying to thwart the advances of the authoritarians - as our Founding Fathers warned repeatedly (obviously no longer taught); and the authoritarians are constantly trying to indoctrinate the masses to accept the velvet chains they're being offered.

    We're so far down the line now, that multiple generations of Americans have been exposed to and indoctrinated into accepting authoritarianism as the foundation of their their society. They have been sold this bill of goods in the name liberty, individualism, free speech, and democracy - when in reality they have been indoctrinated into groupthink, approved speech, collectivist notions of property, and the tyranny of the majority.

    1960's Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov used to tour the United States and give lectures and speeches on the topic of "active measures" and Gramscian strategy, i.e. how America's enemies had already successfully infiltrated her institutions and had already realized successes beyond their most optimistic projections. Even as far back as the 1960's - the damage had already been done, and as Bezmenov said, the process was all-but irreversible. All that needed to be done from there, was simply sit back and watch America destroy herself from within; which is exactly what is happening to America today - we are nearing the end of that process.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    History is facts, it's a recording of what happened...those are measured systems. Speaking factually doesn't have to be done in a boring mannerism.
    No, not really. History can have facts and is based on facts, but most of the discipline's energy is spent on interpreting source material and inherently centers on a subjective framework of analysis.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Or take two seconds and call it up on their phone choosing from virtually all history ever recorded.
    Then why have school at all? Let's just let kids learn on their own, without the necessity for schools or teachers or textbooks or tests. Your answer to propaganda posing as education is to 'let them learn after school'?
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    I'm socially liberal, but I support the school board on this issue. The reason is, both liberals and conservatives try to influence education ideologically, but liberals are far more successful because colleges are overwhelmingly liberal. When I went to my liberal arts college, I had to take a "social justice" course as part of my education major. The first thing the teacher said was that whites are the oppressor race and non whites are the oppressed races, and that was the entire message of the course. And they were teaching us this so that when we became teachers, we would teach this message to children. I'm sure that a lot of colleges are doing this. So when this Colorado school board wants to promote patriotism, citizenship, etc I view it as a fairly moderate counter to an education system that's already been hijacked by liberal ideology. At their worst, conservatives are jingoists who are critical of every society but their own. At their worst, liberals are "social justice warriors" who are critical of their own society but not of anyone else's. Both are mindless, dangerous extremes. However, the liberal extreme presents the bigger threat to society right now in my opinion, and it's certainly the one most present in children's education.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

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    And the curriculum the right wingers are promoting will ensure they get one
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by zoetherat View Post
    I'm socially liberal, but I support the school board on this issue. The reason is, both liberals and conservatives try to influence education ideologically, but liberals are far more successful because colleges are overwhelmingly liberal. When I went to my liberal arts college, I had to take a "social justice" course as part of my education major. The first thing the teacher said was that whites are the oppressor race and non whites are the oppressed races, and that was the entire message of the course. And they were teaching us this so that when we became teachers, we would teach this message to children. I'm sure that a lot of colleges are doing this. So when this Colorado school board wants to promote patriotism, citizenship, etc I view it as a fairly moderate counter to an education system that's already been hijacked by liberal ideology. At their worst, conservatives are jingoists who are critical of every society but their own. At their worst, liberals are "social justice warriors" who are critical of their own society but not of anyone else's. Both are mindless, dangerous extremes. However, the liberal extreme presents the bigger threat to society right now in my opinion, and it's certainly the one most present in children's education.
    Conceptually, yes, but I think it is worth reminding people that public school history teaching is often inherently a somewhat conservative position. Unless you are encouraging students to read Howard Zinn, it is more likely you are attempting to balance the concerns of liberals and conservatives. You often avoid doing something which can cause a parent to complain, which tends to benefit the status-quo more than a progressive cause.
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