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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

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    False. Full stop. The words are not synonyms. Learn the words before you argue them.
    Opinion, nothing more. Country can be The People or it can be The State. Just because the facts of the word go against your opinion of what it should be, doesn't mean you've made a proper argument. You haven't. You're just spinning your wheels desperately trying to throw semantics out there in the hope that it confuses things long enough for you to make your debate escape.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Do you think curriculum is "straight facts" today in most colleges and universities in the areas of history, sociology etc. ?

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    I'm with the students on this one. Complete bs on the part of that school board. No curriculum should be biased or censored, just straight facts.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Sounds like they need a good old fashioned book burning.

    After that, they can go and break some windows of known Muslims.

    And finally, they can go home and read 'Mein America'.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Okay I can agree but would you also agree that kind of subject matter would be more suited to social studies (is that even still a class??) rather than history? You don't need to teach historic civil unrests or protests with a bias, they should be taught as they really happened with no bias either way.
    Well, no. Social Studies should be for the general study of civilization and of cultures around the world.

    Not sure how old you are, but there was a time when Civics was part of the core school curriculum. Civics class died out with the increasing liberalization of public schools. What was once taught in Civics Class is no different than what the Denver school board is trying to get added to the curriculum now.
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    Its not HS, its college. Students are expected to form opinions based on facts. Its more about they why and how as opposed to the where and when. Each discipline whether it be history, sociology, economics etc. has different schools of thought and models. In economics, for example, most undergraduate programs teach Keynesian macroeconomics. Other schools of thought are not taught and mostly ignored. Their are marxist viewpoints on broad sweeps of history and sociology. I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if this was the predominant view of college professors.



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    I think neither anti nor pro American bias should be taught. Just teach the kids the facts without any bias either way and let them make their own conclusions on historic events.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Protest is the part of a democratic government. It is there right to protest our opinions are different from each other.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

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    I'm with the students on this one. Complete bs on the part of that school board. No curriculum should be biased or censored, just straight facts.
    Here here.

    Of course what we see here, is that when it comes to conservatives and education, it's not about what's real or factual so much as it is about their own agenda of training young minds to be conservative right-wing pundits. This is of course to lead into creationism being taught as credible science as well. The students are smart enough to see this cominng and I applaud them for having the fortitude to do something about it.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Equality is the very thing liberal textbooks don't teach about American history.

    Only, and I do mean only European Christians are held accountable for any moral behavior. That is THE message.

    Slavery, along with allowing few rights for women, and a culture of child abuse were all part of every Native American (Amerindian) tribe throughout the thousands of years before Columbus.
    Yet, it was only the very European Christians that gave the world democracy and began the end of slavery in the West that were "wrong" for having slaves. Such racist bull.
    If it was wrong for Washington and Jefferson to have slaves, then it should have been wrong for every Amerindian chief during the same time period to have them as well.

    "They should have known better."

    Another biased lie is that Europeans were evil by taking over the land of the peaceful noble savages who were just rowing their canoes and smoking peace pipes for 15,000 years before they were unfairly routed.

    From when thier native ancestors from Asia and Europe first set foot on the land eons ago, there has been warfare and genocide.

    In Comancheria the lands of the Southern US plains, the Comanche tribes killed and drove off the Western Apaches by around 1700 AD. The Western Apaches had done the same thing to the former inhabitants, as they had done the same. And on and on. The Comanche were the most warlike and brutal of all Amerindian tribes. Torture and mutilation was expected on anyone outside their ethnic group they came upon. Young children and women were taken as captives and sex toys. The rest, exterminated.
    The Comanches kept the Spanish from occupying their territory, and it wasn't until the 1870's that better armed Anglos finally put their bloody reign of terror to an end.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Well, no. Social Studies should be for the general study of civilization and of cultures around the world.

    Not sure how old you are, but there was a time when Civics was part of the core school curriculum. Civics class died out with the increasing liberalization of public schools. What was once taught in Civics Class is no different than what the Denver school board is trying to get added to the curriculum now.

    I never had a civics class but from what I know about it, my social studies class had civics as part of the curriculum for that course.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by TobyOne View Post
    Its not HS, its college. Students are expected to form opinions based on facts. Its more about they why and how as opposed to the where and when. Each discipline whether it be history, sociology, economics etc. has different schools of thought and models. In economics, for example, most undergraduate programs teach Keynesian macroeconomics. Other schools of thought are not taught and mostly ignored. Their are marxist viewpoints on broad sweeps of history and sociology. I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if this was the predominant view of college professors.
    What are you talking about? This is about high school students protesting.
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