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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Yes, damn them for not accepting propaganda as history! What in the hell is the matter with them? Just swallow it and smile.
    Well, if they're so butthurt about it, there are plenty of other history sources freely available to them. No one made a rule that the only learning done must be in the classroom.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No I didn't. You tried to argue that you can die for your country for traitorous purposes to show that dying for your country isn't patriotic, I pointed out that dying for traitorous purposes is not dying for your country.



    To make your argument you have dishonestly moved the goal post to "dying for your government" which is not the same as dying for your country. Government =/= Country.

    I have said "dying for your country is the highest form of patriotism" the best you seem to be able to muster is the intellectually dishonest argument that "dying for your government" isn't always patriotic, which isn't the same thing.

    I am picking up a distinct pattern with you...
    Country is government. Again, this is just swindling definitions to support your opinion. But it's your opinion. Dying for one's country can mean various things. Dying to uphold the philosophies of the People (which would be more inclined to resemble patriotism) or dying to uphold the desires of State.

    You can pick up any pattern you like, but I wouldn't trust that you could report on it honestly.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Yeah, that'll work. After hearing at school about the positive benefits of slavery and the enlightened treatment of the American Indian, they can go buy a real history book and spend their free time reading it.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Hilarious and a wonderfully subtle shifting of those goal posts.
    What "shift" are you talking about?
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah...you're missing a "not". Dying for your country is not the greatest form of patriotism....

    I don't know how old you are, or how intelligent you think you are, but... based on the above, and the fact that many of my closest friends have laid down their lives for this country, in the greatest possible selfless act of patriotism, I have to disagree with your statement in this the most vehement way possible, without using the words that I want to use to describe you and your statement that would surely get me banned for life from this forum.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    I'm just asking why some who are downplaying civil disobedience and promoting a wholesome patriotic pro-American view stops at the highest level of our president, who gets put under fire at any given chance by those same people. I am in no way trying to squelch opposition to Obama, just wondering why the hypocrisy.
    Because it isn't a hypocrisy. Objecting to the policies of the president are neither unpatriotic nor civil disobedience or anti-American.

    The issue as I see it is that many want to sell civil disobedience as intrinsically moral and good when in fact it should be a last resort. Civil Disobedience will develop naturally from the circumstances when the person or group finds no civil redress for their complaint. Sold as an equivalent method of redress just circumvents the civil paths to redress.

    Teaching proper civil behavior, for example, would entail the good of civil protest for objecting to wrongs while also rejecting store looting and fires as valid forms of protest.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Yeah, that'll work. After hearing at school about the positive benefits of slavery and the enlightened treatment of the American Indian, they can go buy a real history book and spend their free time reading it.
    Or take two seconds and call it up on their phone choosing from virtually all history ever recorded.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Country is government.
    False. Full stop. The words are not synonyms. Learn the words before you argue them.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The issue as I see it is that many want to sell civil disobedience as intrinsically moral and good when in fact it should be a last resort. Civil Disobedience will develop naturally from the circumstances when the person or group finds no civil redress for their complaint. Sold as an equivalent method of redress just circumvents the civil paths to redress.

    Teaching proper civil behavior, for example, would entail the good of civil protest for objecting to wrongs while also rejecting store looting and fires as valid forms of protest.
    Okay I can agree but would you also agree that kind of subject matter would be more suited to social studies (is that even still a class??) rather than history? You don't need to teach historic civil unrests or protests with a bias, they should be taught as they really happened with no bias either way.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I don't know how old you are, or how intelligent you think you are, but... based on the above, and the fact that many of my closest friends have laid down their lives for this country, in the greatest possible selfless act of patriotism, I have to disagree with your statement in this the most vehement way possible, without using the words that I want to use to describe you and your statement that would surely get me banned for life from this forum.
    you can say whatever you want. I simply wasn't making an absolute statement that had nothing to do with your friends. It just means that there are ways to die for your country that are not for the rights and liberties of the People. Don't like it? Don't care. That's your problem, you should learn to deal with it.
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