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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

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    Should anyone in any country be "proud of their country" as a concept?
    Yeah, I think that one can have quite a lot of pride in themselves and their country, and can even do so while not displaying blind obedience to the government itself. One can have a lot of pride in their country and rally against the current incarnation of their government as well.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

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    That's truly frightening.
    Why is that?

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    History is facts, it's a recording of what happened...those are measured systems. Speaking factually doesn't have to be done in a boring mannerism.
    Wow, so wrong. History is the "facts" written by the survivors AND it's a story, again, told by the survivors, the victors.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Why is that?

    Btw, I have clarified my point on the post.
    You have a minor in the field and believe recorded history is non-biased. That should be a college recall moment if there ever was one.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah, I think that one can have quite a lot of pride in themselves and their country, and can even do so while not displaying blind obedience to the government itself. One can have a lot of pride in their country and rally against the current incarnation of their government as well.
    For the record I don't see a huge problem with making both sides of a particular event, or time in history and having the kids reach their own conclusions, as long as they don't get pressure from what ever teacher to lean one way or another for grades.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Wow, so wrong. History is the "facts" written by the survivors AND it's a story, again, told by the survivors, the victors.
    OK, but yes it's recorded and modern history more so than medieval. But it doesn't change anything I wrote. It's recorded, we report on that. It's factual, I suppose by "history's standards", and that doesn't need to be recanted in boring mannerisms.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    For the record I don't see a huge problem with making both sides of a particular event, or time in history and having the kids reach their own conclusions, as long as they don't get pressure from what ever teacher to lean one way or another for grades.
    And there is the rub because we have on some level made our schools into institutions of propaganda instead of critical thinking. But yes, ideally it's the facts, it's both sides, and the individual makes up their own minds. By politicizing the schools, we're acting against the purpose of education.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    But, but, but....the wingnuts on the school board have legitimate concerns!!

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    Oh my god... How the hell does one cast slavery in a positive light? "At least we got a whole lot of cheap cotton out of it"?

    Apparently on July 4th, 1776 America started ****ting non-stop rainbows and nothing negative ever happened.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And there is the rub because we have on some level made our schools into institutions of propaganda instead of critical thinking. But yes, ideally it's the facts, it's both sides, and the individual makes up their own minds. By politicizing the schools, we're acting against the purpose of education.
    We find agreement....I knew it was possibe...heh, heh....Well, off to work, gotta go to Indy today...Talk later...


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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    OK, but yes it's recorded and modern history more so than medieval. But it doesn't change anything I wrote. It's recorded, we report on that. It's factual, I suppose by "history's standards", and that doesn't need to be recanted in boring mannerisms.
    So, when a medieval historian writes that ships that sailed too far towards the horizon fell off the Earth, that was factual? And historians today are different than historians then how?

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