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US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria[W:354]

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You know it is time you get off the partisan bandwagon pointing fingers and start focusing on the real threats we face as a nation due to fecklessness of parties fighting over power and demand better.

You might want to take your own advice.
 
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Please source a hard news article, and not some editorial from the NYT. He did say no comic book cartoons :p.

The article used quotes from the daily briefing at the Bush Whitehouse but you are right they do read like a bad comic. What is clear is that Bush has a one track mind and if it wasn't about invading Iraq he did not want to hear about it.
 
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You might want to take your own advice.
Pointing out failure of an administration is not being partisan. Especially when those in his own party are doing the same. I suggest you take off those rose colored glasses you must be wearing so you can better get a view of reality. Cheers!
 
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Airstrikes have started, lets see if anything substantive comes of it. Knowing Obama this was all show.

This is bigger than Obama and ISIS. It's not a show. The endgame is to, firstly, secure and consolidate our victory in Iraq by getting the Islamic militants in line and then.... replace the Assad regime.

This would happen whether we had a democrat or a republican in office.

Follow the money.
 
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Just think about it for yoruself Enigma; do you really think air power alone is going to destroy and organization like ISIS? When has air power alone ever succeeded in destroying an enemy?

The United States and Saudi Arabia created Islamic militants like Al Qaeda and, I wouldn't be shocked, ISIS.

Where do you think these guys got their guns and their military training?

The endgame is to topple Assad. We armed and trained the ISIS fighters, but now they're getting out of hand, so we're bombing them as an appeasement to the American public and also to send a message.
 
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No it will take boots on the ground. Just not our boots hopefully. It's time the folks in the region that have the most to lose from ISIS step up to the plate. We already have fighter jets from five middle eastern countries involved in the airstrikes. Hopefully that is a sign of things to come for their boots on the ground.

To be clear, the reason you don't want US boots on the ground, is not because you think they couldn't accomplish the job correct? And more about the fact you don't want to see any more Americans die in the Middle East yes?

Personally, I would of preferred a joint command between the Syrians, Americans and the Iraqis to coordinate a little shock and awe air campaign with an assault on ISIS' southern and eastern borders. But since Obama has decided that Assad must go, that isn't going to happened, and we've seen just how effective Iraq has been... even after billions spent and years of us training them. Hell the FSA won't be ready for at least six months. Once you eliminate the possibilities, you gotta admit, the US is looking more and more like the best option.
 
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The United States and Saudi Arabia created Islamic militants like Al Qaeda and, I wouldn't be shocked, ISIS.

Where do you think these guys got their guns and their military training?

The endgame is to topple Assad. We armed and trained the ISIS fighters, but now they're getting out of hand, so we're bombing them as an appeasement to the American public and also to send a message.

:roll: Oh you're one of those people huh? Look, I get that your history only goes so far as it will to appears your America Bashing, but the truth of the matter is that there isn't a grand conspiracy here, it's just whack job Muslims doing their usual thing. If anything, the error was a lack of imagination on the government's part, not ... I'm sorry what is it you're accusing the Americans and Saudis of doing now?

This is bigger than Obama and ISIS. It's not a show. The endgame is to, firstly, secure and consolidate our victory in Iraq by getting the Islamic militants in line and then.... replace the Assad regime.

This would happen whether we had a democrat or a republican in office.

Follow the money.

What does that even mean, "in line". You do realize that 50% of radical Islamist are our enemy right? We're not talking about 30 years ago (you know, when there was this thing in history called the Cold War), but today, after 9/11 when 3000 Americans were killed.
 
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:roll: Oh you're one of those people huh? Look, I get that your history only goes so far as it will to appears your America Bashing, but the truth of the matter is that there isn't a grand conspiracy here, it's just whack job Muslims doing their usual thing. If anything, the error was a lack of imagination on the government's part, not ... I'm sorry what is it you're accusing the Americans and Saudis of doing now?

I'm not accusing the Americans and Saudis of anything.... they've freely admitted it. Get off your MSNBC/Fox News/CNN kick and go research the matter for yourself.

Ask yourself this.... how does a ragtag group of "whackjob Muslims" conquer Afghanistan? Conquer large swaths of Iraq and Syria? It takes a trained, organized, and well equipped army to accomplish that.

We armed and trained them to fight our geopolitical foes, the Russians, Assad, Sadaam Hussein, the Iranians. Those nations that actually pose a security risk to the way of life of the American Public.

These "whackjob muslims" are just the ones that got out of hand.... yes, they deserve blame for being fundamentalist nuts, but we also shoulder some blame for arming and training them to begin with.

The airstrikes in Syria have little to do with fighting terrorists. The geopolitical goal of the United States is to topple the Assad regime or to force it in to submission.

You might not know this, but in addition to airstrikes, we are currently arming what our administration is calling "the moderate resistance" forces in Syria to fight a ground war there. The airstrikes are nothing but air cover for these "moderate resistance forces."
 
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:roll: Oh you're one of those people huh? Look, I get that your history only goes so far as it will to appears your America Bashing, but the truth of the matter is that there isn't a grand conspiracy here, it's just whack job Muslims doing their usual thing. If anything, the error was a lack of imagination on the government's part, not ... I'm sorry what is it you're accusing the Americans and Saudis of doing now?



What does that even mean, "in line". You do realize that 50% of radical Islamist are our enemy right? We're not talking about 30 years ago (you know, when there was this thing in history called the Cold War), but today, after 9/11 when 3000 Americans were killed.

9/11 is the biggest public relations stunt in the history of the United States. "Terrorism" is often the excuse the USA uses to fight wars in the middle east.
 
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The other thing to note is that it's in our best interest to create "security dependence" in the middle east. Having these factions fight each other works to America's advantage.
 
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I'm not accusing the Americans and Saudis of anything.... they've freely admitted it. Get off your MSNBC/Fox News/CNN kick and go research the matter for yourself.

Ask yourself this.... how does a ragtag group of "whackjob Muslims" conquer Afghanistan? Conquer large swaths of Iraq and Syria? It takes a trained, organized, and well equipped army to accomplish that.

We armed and trained them to fight our geopolitical foes, the Russians, Assad, Sadaam Hussein, the Iranians. Those nations that actually pose a security risk to the way of life of the American Public.

These "whackjob muslims" are just the ones that got out of hand.... yes, they deserve blame for being fundamentalist nuts, but we also shoulder some blame for arming and training them to begin with.

The airstrikes in Syria have little to do with fighting terrorists. The geopolitical goal of the United States is to topple the Assad regime or to force it in to submission.

You might not know this, but in addition to airstrikes, we are currently arming what our administration is calling "the moderate resistance" forces in Syria to fight a ground war there. The airstrikes are nothing but air cover for these "moderate resistance forces."

You know, I've always found it so fascinating how people believe that the people aren't able to do anything without the US. How such low opinions you have of them. If it's really such a mystery how in the heard of the middle east, you could have a rebel movement rise to prominence, and take land in Iraq (coincidentally, Sunni land), then perhaps you need to do some more research.

In fact, I wish American Foreign Policy was as well thought out and crafted as people like you want to believe. The truth is, we've stumbled into just about every foreign policy crisis that's come up in the past twenty years. You are right that we did have the stated goal of ousting Assad (after all, did you see what he was doing to his people... also we did take a long time getting into that came), but that isn't the same as you would push that we intentionally armed radical outfits like ISIS. The fact of the matter was that in the beginning, one of the most prominent groups was the MB, and if you recall, they were undergoing a PR scrub down in Egypt at the same time all this was coming up. Think about it this way, if we really wanted ISIS toppled, just how far do you think we're really willing to push the whole Air Strikes thing? Knowing that at this moment, the biggest enemy Assad has, is ISIS?

9/11 is the biggest public relations stunt in the history of the United States. "Terrorism" is often the excuse the USA uses to fight wars in the middle east.

And a Truther to boot?

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Stupid, stupid, stupid.

This will, imo, do NOTHING except make the area more volatile and get more Americans killed in reprisal terrorist attacks - which will mean more Americans will lose more freedoms/rights as the government uses these attacks to justify more and more control over the masses.

This will NOT end well.

Let the locals fix their own problems.
 
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US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria
Sep 22, 2014, 9:30 PM ET
By MARTHA RADDATZ, LUIS MARTINEZ and LEE FERRAN

American airstrikes against ISIS targets are under way in Syria, according to a Pentagon official.

"I can confirm that U.S. military and partner nation forces are undertaking military action against ISIL [ISIS] terrorists in Syria using a mix of fighter, bomber and Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles," Pentagon Press Secretary Rear Admiral John Kirby said. "Given that these operations are ongoing, we are not in a position to provide additional details at this time. The decision to conduct theses strikes was made earlier today by the U.S. Central Command commander under authorization granted him by the commander in chief. We will provide more details later as operationally appropriate."

US Airstrikes Against ISIS Targets Under Way in Syria - ABC News

*PEW* *PEW* *PEW* I hope they like drones. Eat it suckas.
 
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Except it seems that Arab Nations are participating in air strikes as well, at least according to a Jordanian Govt official I heard from earlier.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

This will, imo, do NOTHING except make the area more volatile and get more Americans killed in reprisal terrorist attacks - which will mean more Americans will lose more freedoms/rights as the government uses these attacks to justify more and more control over the masses.

This will NOT end well.

Let the locals fix their own problems.

You think Americans are losing freedoms/rights now, what do you think will happened if/when a WMD is set off in a major American city?

I do think in this case that the combination of Assad, Iraq and Iran could deal with the situation even without US air strikes if they got coordinated.
 
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I'm not accusing the Americans and Saudis of anything.... they've freely admitted it. Get off your MSNBC/Fox News/CNN kick and go research the matter for yourself.

Ask yourself this.... how does a ragtag group of "whackjob Muslims" conquer Afghanistan? Conquer large swaths of Iraq and Syria? It takes a trained, organized, and well equipped army to accomplish that.

We armed and trained them to fight our geopolitical foes, the Russians, Assad, Sadaam Hussein, the Iranians. Those nations that actually pose a security risk to the way of life of the American Public.

These "whackjob muslims" are just the ones that got out of hand.... yes, they deserve blame for being fundamentalist nuts, but we also shoulder some blame for arming and training them to begin with.

The airstrikes in Syria have little to do with fighting terrorists. The geopolitical goal of the United States is to topple the Assad regime or to force it in to submission.

You might not know this, but in addition to airstrikes, we are currently arming what our administration is calling "the moderate resistance" forces in Syria to fight a ground war there. The airstrikes are nothing but air cover for these "moderate resistance forces."

If you watched any of the vids they're so keen on posting you'd realize that they aren't well trained and they aren't well equipped.
If anything they are only well organized.
 
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Stupid, stupid, stupid.

This will, imo, do NOTHING except make the area more volatile and get more Americans killed in reprisal terrorist attacks - which will mean more Americans will lose more freedoms/rights as the government uses these attacks to justify more and more control over the masses.

This will NOT end well.

Let the locals fix their own problems.

Why did we fight the Nazi's and the Japanese in WW2? Why didn't it just create more terrorists? Why didn't appeasement work?
 
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Except it seems that Arab Nations are participating in air strikes as well, at least according to a Jordanian Govt official I heard from earlier.
Fine - you give us a link and then we will both know it.



You think Americans are losing freedoms/rights now, what do you think will happened if/when a WMD is set off in a major American city?

I do think in this case that the combination of Assad, Iraq and Iran could deal with the situation even without US air strikes if they got coordinated.

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Good day.
 
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You know, I've always found it so fascinating how people believe that the people aren't able to do anything without the US. How such low opinions you have of them.

Its common, as if these are semi-animate beings who dont have their own reasons for doing things. These people think they know whats happening because they read New Yorker magazine, listen to NPR, and vote democrat. :doh
 
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Why did we fight the Nazi's and the Japanese in WW2? Why didn't it just create more terrorists? Why didn't appeasement work?

So you are (apparently) comparing Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan as remotely similar threats to America as ISIS (which has about 10,000 troops, mostly in pickup trucks with NO air power)?

Noted.

Ron Paul says it much better then I can.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...ress-votes-more-war-middle-east-ron-paul.html

You have a problem with it - take it up with him as I really do not much care what you think about this.


Good day.
 
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Fine - you give us a link and then we will both know it.





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Good day.

Fair enough. BBC Good enough?

BBC News - LIVE: US begins air strikes against Islamic State in Syria

Also, on the second post, all I'm saying is that things could be a lot worse you know? I wasn't meaning to imply that's something we have to worry about as far as ISIS is concerned (not for the foreseeable future at minimum). So if that's what the face palm was for, no reason to be alarmed.
 
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