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US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria[W:354]

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GreatNews2night said:
I couldn't care less what the WH calls it, since like I said it's semantics and politics and in such times I don't really pay attention to partisan politics.
About ground troops, it's not like there won't be any. There are Kurds, Iraqis, moderate Syrians, and apparently some 10 other countries in this coalition, and even Iran outside of the coalition but already sending people. If we get a good air campaign and other troops do the ground invasions, maybe we'll avoid having to send in our foot soldiers. However, like I said, if it doesn't work, the Pentagon has already mentioned that American troops might be necessary, and I'm confident that there will be adjustments and reassessments.

I think ISIS is not as strong as a regular national army. If their equipment, training centers, command centers, etc., get bombed to oblivion, then it could be relatively easy for the troops coming from multiple points to just go in and slaughter them.

So, instead of playing partisan politics, let's wait and see what happens, shall we?
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So you admit Obama is just playing politics with calling this war? Ok.

As for the competency of the local arab troops, I am not very optimistic-they dont have the combat experience that these terrorists do-so they dont fight as well. Its also hard for them to fight when they think the US will ditch them to be mass executed (as Obama has done for a year or so in Iraq).
 
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vesper said:
A patriot is a person who vigorously supports their country and is prepared to defend it against enemies or detractors. By that definition this administration hasn't lived up to it. You don't leave your borders open for people that want to do you harm to get in and still claim to be a patriot. You don't let those among us willing to engage in traitorous fighting and then return to this country where they pose a threat to the citizens and live up to what a patriot is defined to be.
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Damn straight. Im tired of a chump in the whitehouse.
 
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US Conservative said:
They are marginalized-ISIS is not. I just said a word of prayer for our men and women over hostile territory.
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Well blow me down. I'm impressed. Most righties are taking this as an opportunity to once again diss the president and **** the pilots to score political points.
 
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Anomalism said:
How many wars in the Middle East did we win with boots on the ground?
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We haven't loss any wars in the middle east if that's what your saying. We defeated Iraq twice. The mistake we made was occupying the country. I don't blame our military for that.
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
There will be boots on the ground. Just not ours for a change. We can't fight these people's battles forever.
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When a terrorist group tells our nation that they are coming to attack us (as they are currently executing others) - thats our battle. You can moan about why its happening, but here it is.

The war on terror never ended.
 
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US Conservative said:
When Obama came into the Presidency, Iraq was winding down-all we had to do was keep a small presence to keep the peace. Obama has always been anti-war, from his community organizing days to his 2012 campaign.

But he decided to lose Iraq to get votes-and now here we are dropping bombs on another nation. Lets hope our troops stay safe.
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To get votes? How about the American people wanted out of that sheethole?

And the bs about him solely being a community advisor has been debunked years ago. It makes you look ignorant and petty.

Leaving a few troops behind wouldn't have stopped the momentum of ISIS. It was Al Maliki's blundering that disenfranchised the sunnies that made it inevitable along with the collapse of Syria and of course the destabilization we created when we took out Saddam. We would have come to this regardless if we had left some troops behind.
 
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We're bombing someone without their consent? Are we savages??


polgara said:
So it has begun... against all advice, we're bombing a sovereign country who has stated in public that this should not be done without their consent! The UN has agreed! WTH?
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vesper said:
Stick a sock in it. One can not stand behind anything unless it can respect it. When you have a Commander in Chief who has shown himself to be so incompetent as the one now serving, only a fool would support such a thing.
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No you stick a sock in it vesper.
Quit playing politics with war with the same old tired Palinesque quips bashing YOUR President.
You should be happy at least he's in DC doing his job, not like the 435 real incompetents on a 54-day vacation.

You'll be the first to complain if he plays a round of golf with his command team with him.
Or campaign for his party which ALL Presidents have done during war .
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
Actually your explanation is too simplistic and partisan. The American people wanted out and it was a campaign promise to get us out and partially why he was elected. The former president already had the timeline set up. We trained the Iraqis and did our best to help them get their act together for over a decade. It's not Obama's fault Al Maliki disenfranchised the sunnies and kurds and some of these people don't have the courage to fight for their country.
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America didn't want out to lose a war, and then come back in to have to fight it again. Obama gambled he'd be out before Iraq blew up again-or at least past the 2012 election. He lost, and so did the US.

Now, to make it worse we have to go back in-so while I hear lefties in this thread saying we are back in because of politics (public opinion) they also say we left because Americans demanded it. Please-the facts dont support that.

Stop making excuses for failure, we can see right thought it.
 
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The only mental savages are the ones playing politics with war.
TobyOne said:
We're bombing someone without their consent? Are we savages??
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Let's hear some more historical revision on Ben--gha--zi, etc .
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
Not totally true. The speed of which the ISIS blitzkrieg manifested itself took a lot of experts by surprise.
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Again, not true. We knew about ISIS well over a year ago in Iraq. Our media was finally drug kicking and screaming about it when they captured Mosul in January. 9 months ago-and the President knew BEFORE that how bad things were. He knew about them last year when he was sabre rattling against Assad and now he's eating his hat.
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
Well blow me down. I'm impressed. Most righties are taking this as an opportunity to once again diss the president and **** the pilots to score political points.
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Some of our attack aircraft flew over 4K miles to attack in stealth conditions. Think of all the support that has to go into that-and they appear to have pulled it off.
 
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US Conservative said:
America didn't want out to lose a war, and then come back in to have to fight it again.
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Yes the American people did--stop lying already.
Obama gambled he'd be out before Iraq blew up again-or at least past the 2012 election. He lost, and so did the US.
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Bull**** revision.
Now, to make it worse we have to go back in-so while I hear lefties in this thread saying we are back in because of politics (public opinion) they also say we left because Americans demanded it. Please-the facts dont support that.
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incompetent.
Stop making excuses for failure, we can see right thought it.
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Failure began in February of 2001--someone as smart as you should know that .
 
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US Conservative said:
Some of our attack aircraft flew over 4K miles to attack in stealth conditions.
Think of all the support that has to go into that-and they appear to have pulled it off.
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We're all patriots here .
 
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How many of our brave men and women would be dead and maimed with your plan to have perpetual war from 2010, ala McCain and Cheney ?
US Conservative said:
Again, not true. We knew about ISIS well over a year ago in Iraq. Our media was finally drug kicking and screaming about it when they captured Mosul in January. 9 months ago-and the President knew BEFORE that how bad things were. He knew about them last year when he was sabre rattling against Assad and now he's eating his hat.
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EnigmaO01 said:
To get votes? How about the American people wanted out of that sheethole?

And the bs about him solely being a community advisor has been debunked years ago. It makes you look ignorant and petty.

Leaving a few troops behind wouldn't have stopped the momentum of ISIS. It was Al Maliki's blundering that disenfranchised the sunnies that made it inevitable along with the collapse of Syria and of course the destabilization we created when we took out Saddam. We would have come to this regardless if we had left some troops behind.
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Please read closer, I never said he was "only" a community organizer, I said he was anti war even back then.

As for what the American people want-they want a leader who can make a case and then they can decide how they feel about it.

Obama said Iraq was safe and stable, and repeated that during his reelection-but apparently that wasn't true. If he knew better-he should have made that case-if he didn't-he was incompetent.

See how this works?



"all of [the Iraq war] has led to this moment of success" :doh
 
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GreatNews2night said:
OK. I'm a fool, and incapable of logical thinking. Sure. Thank you for the personal attacks. Now go back to hating the president regardless of what he does or doesn't do (yep, there is a lot of logical thinking in that, right?!?!? Such as, let's deny him authorization to bomb Syria, and then complain that he isn't doing enough against Syria; yeah, right, that's very logical!). Me, I want those extremists decimated, and I'll support any action that will get them killed.

I won't be surprised, if he sends troops to the ground, if the Right immediately switches to condemning it too.

The thing is:

Obama does A = he is wrong.
Obama does the opposite of A = he is wrong.
Obama refrains from doing either A or the opposite of A = he is wrong.

Yep, very logical.

It gets very tiresome.
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This has nothing to do with personally hating a president but everything to do with incompetence to the point it has put us all at danger here in our own country due to his very policies.
To point out your use of the word "patriot " used not at all as it is defined is not a personal attack but a logical analysis.
To point out to support someone means you condone their actions means you agree with them is not a personal attack. It may put you between a rock and a hard place in justifying your own logic but it wasn't a personal attack.

If you haven't taken notice, it is those military experts he should be listening to that are currently frustrated with Obama because he will not allow them to do what they ( with all their expertise) have proposed to stop this army of 33,000 asswipes and growing that want to destroy Western civilization. Instead he wants to micro manage every air strike. Please ask yourself what's wrong with this picture? Hell, even his own former Defense Secretary, Leon Panetta, came out this week and said Obama has screwed up. It isn't just the right. There is a reason any Democrat up for re-election doesn't want Obama around them.
 
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US Conservative said:
Cool aid is bombing syria as you read.
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I bet those bastards that were mocking us, beheading Americans, and raping and butchering women and children are now shaking in their boots. Nothing like a tomahawk missile or 500 lb. bomb to get your attention. I'll bet they don't think it's cool aid.

People make light of air strikes but if rhey only knew what it's like to be the target of them they would think differently.
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
I bet those bastards that were mocking us, beheading Americans, and raping and butchering women and children are now shaking in their boots. Nothing like a tomahawk missile or 500 lb. bomb to get your attention. I'll bet they don't think it's cool aid.

People make light of air strikes but if rhey only knew what it's like to be the target of them they would think differently.
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These are very rough men who have probably seen a lot of horror over the last several years, but I hope they are scared. Truth be told-it does not matter how they feel about it as long as they are sent to their virgins.
 
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US Conservative said:
Wrong question-you should have asked how many wars have been won without boots on the ground. The answer, of course is none.
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Two were resolved quickly with air power alone: the former Yugoslavia and Libya. Of course that was under dem presidents
So you righties don't count them.

And I seemed to remember North Vietnam came quickly to the peace talks when we bombed Hanoi and mined their harbor. However our politicians screwed that one up and forced Nixon to back iff.
 
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vesper said:
Hell, even his own former Defense Secretary, Leon Panetta, came out this week and said Obama has screwed up. It isn't just the right. There is a reason any Democrat up for re-election doesn't want Obama around them.
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So did Robert Gates.

All of the flip flops, the contradictions, the political posturing-it makes it clear how incompetent Obama is.
 
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