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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria[W:354]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Direct hit. Isn't it funny how when its time to start cleaning up the BS, Obama suddenly starts acting more like a conservative? But its a facade-he could care less about Iraq-UNLESS it hurts him or his party politically.

    Obama lost the peace for politics, and now he's being forced to clean up the mess.
    O is an idiot just like the Texan tard before him, but no one is forcing him to clean up the mess. O is just doing it because his sugar daddy Rex Tillerson is forcing his cock up his mouth (much like he did to his predecessor).

    As for the mess in Iraq, the responsibility for cleaning it up is yours and your fellow right-wing brethren who voted for the idiot that invaded Iraq to create it.

    So when are you gonna ship out and get over there?

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    * note to you: It sounds very much like you are calling everyone who voted for President Bush retarded. Manners, please.
    My apologies. I should never have used such a demeaning word.

    Those who voted for bush--thereby indirectly contributing to starting the mess in Iraq that never existed prior to bush--are merely special. They have special needs.

    And I believe these needs can be met when they go to Iraq, where they will find love among the groups (mostly Iran and/or Syria backed Shiites) who they can join to fight ISIL in Iraq

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Now why should someone else have to clean up a mess made by the idiot before him?
    Because he's the President, and knew what he was getting into. Is this hard to understand?

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria[W:354]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Wow, you people are so terminally isolated by your Political position its absurd.

    In 2008 and 2012 millions of morons elected a Guy who had NO business even considering running for this Nations highest office.

    Based on Political expediency ALONE he chose to bail on Iraq.

    Who knows how many lives were lost nust because Obama wanted to perpetuate a desperate false narrative about a Bush Invasion by doing something that was inexplicably stupid.
    Bush invades Iraq and creates a big mess there that necessitates a long-term US military presence in Iraq to suppress the consequences of that mess, and bush's successor chooses to stop suppressing it.

    So now the mess is the successor's fault?

    Perhaps someone could explain this right wing "logic"--the notion that if person B fails to clean up a mess made by person A, then the mess is the fault of person B.

    Kinda like if a kid breaks a cookie jar and spills the contents on the floor, and his Mom tries to clean it up, but then quits half way, then the cookie jar mess is the Mom's fault?!

    Surely one of Dr. Seuss' books illustrates this form of "logic", or else why would the right keep reverting back to it?

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria[W:354]

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    As for the mess in Iraq, the responsibility for cleaning it up is yours and your fellow right-wing brethren who voted for the idiot that invaded Iraq to create it.
    You are incorrect, Obama lost the Peace and now must clean up the mess.

    Other Presidents man up and take responsibility. They dont have you to make excuses for them, do they?

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    It seems like we're throwing some very expensive Tomahawks at empty buildings. All the advance talk and Congress authorization and going on TV to say that we would pursue targets in Syria, just allowed ISIS to hide and merge with the local population, so that the strikes only minimally damaged them (some check points and training camps hits paid off more, but most command and control centers in urban areas that we hit were already empty, with the terrorists having moved elsewhere such as into civilian apartment buildings).

    Airstrikes alone may not defeat Sunni militants

    I mean, I really don't understand all the advance notice. What we should have done:

    We should have reacted to the two beheadings of journalists and other ISIS atrocities and progression, with vague statements just condemning what they were doing and saying we were studying the situation. Some vague statements not by the President himself but by other officials should indicate that "we understand that public opinion in America is weary of long military commitments in the Middle East." ISIS fighters would be happily celebrating their advances and their command and control centers would be filled to the brink with happy militants.

    Then we should suddenly strike with all the Tomahawks, bombers, and jet fighters unleashed simultaneously in Syria and Iraq against ISIS positions; in day time (while these command and control centers were populated, rather than waiting for the militants to go back to the places where they sleep).

    So, what's up with tipping one's hand to the enemy?

    This is one of the problems with the freaking idea that Congress declares war and needs to be consulted.

    I think the President should be the one declaring war and taking immediate action. Or at the very least, if there is Congress consultation it should be absolutely secret and behind closed doors.

    In war, the element of surprise is very important and is only possible once - so, the first strike was the time to kill the maximum number of ISIS high level commanders and important personnel.

    By engaging in our endless and paralyzed political process, we gave to the enemy all the time to hide and avoid our bombs.

    Great. We're spending millions in Tomahawk missiles to take down some empty buildings. What a smart strategy!

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria[W:354]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You are incorrect, Obama lost the Peace and now must clean up the mess.
    NOPE. He doesn't have to do anything, nor do the American taxpayers who didn't vote for the idiot that created the aforementioned mess w/his invasion plan.

    The responsibility for cleaning it up belongs to the one who started it and those who put him in power, which would be Bush himself and well, people like you.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria[W:354]

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    NOPE. He doesn't have to do anything, nor do the American taxpayers who didn't vote for the idiot that created the aforementioned mess w/his invasion plan.

    The responsibility for cleaning it up belongs to the one who started it and those who put him in power, which would be Bush himself and well, people like you.
    By the way the idea that there was ever peace in Iraq is utterly ridiculous.

    This said, I think both presidents, Bush and Obama, committed blunders.

    Now instead of this blame game and partisan posturing, we should all get together and find a solution to clean up the mess, regardless of who started it. (I know, fat chance; our divided political process will never allow us to work together).

    I'd go in with 600K+ ground troops (hopefully not only ours but from other countries too) and would decimate ISIS to the last fighter in a matter of three weeks. So, ISIS has 30,000 fighters? Send in 20 times more than that, infinitely better equipped, and with overwhelmingly superior firepower by air, sea, and ground. Problem solved. It worked in the Gulf war.

    The problem with any lesser measure is that sooner or later we'll need to engage for good anyway once that place becomes a terrorist haven and they start exporting the attacks into our homelands. Better now than later after ISIS encroaches even more and becomes stronger and more dangerous.

    However, the West lacks the political will to act decisively like this.

    Conclusion, we're in for another 10-year mess.

    [I'm aware that this is not what I initially thought in this thread - but reading more about it and looking at initial results, I think now that this is an ill-managed initiative]

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Link please?
    I've already supplied one and you can google it yourself. This is something you should already know already if you want to seriously debate these issues.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    It was a house of cards waiting to collapse. Their government was alienating the sunnies and kurds and they even threw them out of the military.

    You got any more revisionist stories to tell?
    What's revisionist. Even Barrack said Iraq was stable and Biden called Iraq their greatest achievement. It was stable but when Obama withdrew the troops, against everyone's advice, we can see what happened. And this was also predicted. George W. Bush was right about Iraq pullout - The Washington Post

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