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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Sure, anything to help me understand it better.
    No one understands it perfectly, Perotista, which is why we have so many differing opinions, even among the 'experts'.

    My only concern that when there is war fight to win, hard and fast. If not, as we have seen since the troops were pulled from Iraq, all those people died for nothing, and the same with all those suffering with their injuries, and their loved ones. And the hell with the billions spent. That shouldn't be allowed to happen again and it is criminal if it does.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    We're talking about the best way to defeat ISIS with the strategy the present has laid forth. I do not think Libya is better of today than it was under Qaddafi or for that matter Iraq under Saddam. What exactly has the Arab Spring brought us. An Egypt ruled by the military, Libya in chaos and turmoil with more fighting and death than before we disposed Qaddafi. Only that fighting and death is not on the news 24hours a day. A Syria that has spawned ISIS and other terrorist organization operating in Rebel held territory. We have an Iraq with about a quarter to a third of its territory controlled and run by ISIS. Constant war, at least Assad was not exporting terrorist or terrorism.

    Rulers of different countries can be despots, tryants, but they do help keep a lid on things and bring stability. Will we, the good old USA be better off is Assad is displaced with an Islamic Republic bent on destroying the infidels of the world? Is Libya better off without Qaddafi? Having a bunch of different tribes and terrorist organizations fighting each other for control of Libya, I think not.


    I believe that the Assad regime supported Hezbollah, a terrorist organization.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    You guys talk like that's all we have in the tool box. The tomahawks are mostly used in the first phase to take out C & C to allow aircraft to be used later when it's safer.
    The U.S. has roughly 3,000 Tomahawks. Several times over the years, those that were used were replaced. Mr. Obama used well over 200 of them in his private war against Libya. But then look at the results he achieved!

    Because Tomahawks are a very expensive way to deliver a thousand pounds of explosives, they've usually been used against important targets that would be hard to attack with aircraft. Air defenses are one example. Anti-aircraft missiles, the radars that guide them, and the command centers that coordinate the operation of various parts of the network are very dangerous while they are still up and running, but at the same time, thin aluminum missiles and vans full of radar gear are vulnerable to damage.

    When Tomahawks are fitted with a load of cluster bombs, each one disperses hundreds of these over an area like what an anti-aircraft missile site might cover. They can also be fitted with bombs that will penetrate several feet of concrete, such as might be used to fortify a command center.

    So you're exactly right--Tomahawks have usually been used mostly in the opening stages, often to decrease the threat to attacking aircraft. I doubt they'd use one to destroy an anti-aircraft gun, which I've read these jihadists have quite a few of in some places. If some of these had been located, they might have been one of the targets of the B-1's. They've shown they can put bombs on small targets accurately from 30,000 feet, and at that altitude they'd face very little risk in attacking an anti-aircraft gun site.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Clue? Why didn't you just say so?
    I did.....you didn't pick up on it.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by FaceofBachmann View Post
    Deflection. The proposition (i.e., rightwing talking point) was that you shouldn't oust dictators in the middle east. So -- SAY IT LOUD NOW -- who ousted Saddam?
    Deflection to Bush for Obama's mistakes.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, humbolt.

    Negotiations always involve compromise - otherwise they are not called negotiations, but ultimatums! This "my way or the highway or I walk out" thinking has hurt us in Iraq, Libya (and for a while in Egypt until the people booted the MB out of power), and we are now seeing the results, and paying the price for ISIS and others gaining strength. Now I read that this "non-war" is going to go on for years and perhaps a decade? Why? Weren't we going bankrupt fast enough to suit those who are masterminding this crap?
    I dunno Pol. We won't win from the air - it's degrade and contain, and that requires the same kind of effort the no-fly zone required in Iraq before. The idea that ISIS wouldn't exist in Iraq if Saddam was still in power is baseless. We have no way of knowing that, and never will. Who knows what end Obama has in mind? I don't think he knows.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    This has been the goal of your GOP since the night of the 2008 election .
    Not my GOP, NIMBY. I'm not a republican. I'm certain it was the goal of some there. Personally, when all of Obama's lies became apparent, I started to understand the sentiment.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The enemy is relentless and eager, it seems, to waste their lives. We have to be just as relentless, use our strengths to the maximum, and not waste any lives. When forces were cut in Afghanistan and Iraq there were more casualties. It may look good politically but it's not so good for the troops. I'd rather be surrounded by 50,000 good people than 1,600 and most everyone would say the same..
    I was in Vietnam during the draw down, once all our combat forces were withdrawn the North Vietnamese launched their Eastertide Offense hoping to take advantage of lack of American combat forces. The ARVN sure bent and retreated some, but they were good enough with our air power to put a stop to the offensive and finally drive the NVA back to where they started except in Quang Tri Provence. But we still had advisers with the ARVN and those advisers gave the ARVN some backbone and really helped at places like An Loc.

    I don't remember the exact causality figures, but you are right. More causalities occurred during the withdrawal than prior.
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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No one understands it perfectly, Perotista, which is why we have so many differing opinions, even among the 'experts'.

    My only concern that when there is war fight to win, hard and fast. If not, as we have seen since the troops were pulled from Iraq, all those people died for nothing, and the same with all those suffering with their injuries, and their loved ones. And the hell with the billions spent. That shouldn't be allowed to happen again and it is criminal if it does.
    I agree, get in, win the darn thing with all available means and then come home. All this limited this and that, this tit for tat, all that does is prolong things and causes more death and destruction than if we went in full hog and got the darn thing over as fast as we could.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    I believe that the Assad regime supported Hezbollah, a terrorist organization.
    I believe you are right. Sometimes there are no right choices or answers regardless how hard we want there to be. Sometimes one has to make a decision among bad or perhaps even wrong choices and answers. One may even have to go with the least bad choice to deal with the more evil or worst choices.

    With the situation as it is, I think the U.S. will have to make a choice between ISIS or Assad left standing in the end. It is trying to walk a tightrope now, to have it both ways but sooner or later the reality of the situation will have to be confronted.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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