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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    The problem is we are now starting to arm what is known or what we have been told is moderate secular Islamic rebels. Some 5,000 of them which will not be available for at least a year. But even if they were, the numbers do not add up. 5,000 against ISIS's 30,000 and growing along with our moderate secular Islamic force taking on Assad's 250,000 man force and some other rebel groups all at the same time.

    Perhaps we can get the Iraqi Army reconstituted, but if they are like what we seen so far...

    Who does that really leave? NATO isn't going to commit troops, not Turkey. The Kurds will fight, but not far from their homeland. Iraq as a nation means nothing to them, they want their own homeland, country. But our NATO ally Turkey says no way. Other Arab nations, will they provide troops? I think not.

    Perhaps we are in a corner here, where do we turn to for those troops that can push home the advantage our air strikes will give them? I see only one source at the moment. Perhaps not a nice source, perhaps even a force that would keep a tyrant in power. Perhaps we must decide which of the two evils present, ISIS and Assad we want left standing at the end of the day. I think reality with Putin and Iran backing Assad, he isn't going anywhere unless ISIS is successful in overthrowing him. It will not be our 5,000 strong moderate secular Islamic rebels.

    There are way too many questions here, way too many bad choices, way too many dictators and tyrants. But it does seem, like it or not, that is whom has to be in charge for that region to remain stable. Kings, dictators, princes, tyrants. I wonder if there is really an answer to all of this.
    The real danger is a half-assed war without commitment to win, and to win without question. That means shock and awe and more shock and awe and still more after that. Then, and only then, can these extremely committed people finally realize its over. History has taught us repeatedly that a total win is essential and it should never be ignored.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    And don't forget they WANTED us out.
    And Obama never promised to bring the troops home.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Very true, and let's not forget in mosques and schools and hospitals. ISIS knows how we operate and ISIS knows how to turn our humanitarian instincts against us. It is a good thing that no Hitler or Tojo has arisen today. IF we fought WWII like we been fighting our wars since Vietnam, those two would have won.
    Can't compare WWII to fightin' commies... in the former there was no 'good guys' in the target countries. In Vietnam we were 'invited' to help defend a host government so carpet bombing any spot that had more than two huts together isn't in the cards and you should know that. fact is since WWII we spend our soldier's lives trying to keep guys a few rungs down the dictator ladder IN POWER rather than fighting to remove them til 9/11.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    You guys talk like that's all we have in the tool box. The tomahawks are mostly used in the first phase to take out C & C to allow aircraft to be used later when it's safer.
    The 2015 US Navy Budget slashes different aircraft and weapons. It isn't only Tomahawks. The irony is the purchase order of new Tactical Tomahawks are being slashed, from 784 over four years to just 100 and we used 47 Tomahawks in yesterday's mission. It seems rather feckless to me to gut your Navy budget first then turn around a wage an all "air war".

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    I mentioned this as it is prolly the biggest "Syrian moderate" group.
    I thought it to be an informative link if you care to read.
    Sure, anything to help me understand it better.
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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I wasn't clear--trying to put beer in the fridge and post at the same time. As far as I can tell there is no Syrian-Israeli oeace treaty.
    Thanks. I wasn't sure.
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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The real danger is a half-assed war without commitment to win, and to win without question. That means shock and awe and more shock and awe and still more after that. Then, and only then, can these extremely committed people finally realize its over. History has taught us repeatedly that a total win is essential and it should never be ignored.
    I agree with that. A prolonged war only increases causalities and caused more death and destruction than if we went in full hog with the idea of winning this thing and getting it over. No half measures.
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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Can't compare WWII to fightin' commies... in the former there was no 'good guys' in the target countries. In Vietnam we were 'invited' to help defend a host government so carpet bombing any spot that had more than two huts together isn't in the cards and you should know that. fact is since WWII we spend our soldier's lives trying to keep guys a few rungs down the dictator ladder IN POWER rather than fighting to remove them til 9/11.
    The B-52's got quite a work out over there. What we didn't do was carpet bomb cities. The way things are working out in Libya I am not certain if Libya wasn't better off with Qaddafi then after and if Syria isn't better off with Assad then without him. I think we know Iraq would be better off with Saddam than without him. All one has to do is look at ISIS.

    Does any one do an assessment of what a country will look like in any post dictator situation? Libya is total chaos and turmoil with everyone fighting everyone and becoming a training ground for terrorist again. Syria I am willing to bet would follow those line in a post Assad era or perhaps become an Islamic Republic in which the goal to either to convert everyone in the world or kill them.

    I don't know, the middle east is not my area of expertise. I think this will come down to which one we consider the most evil and the most dangerous, Assad or ISIS. Somewhere down the line we will have to make a choice which one we want left standing.
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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Are you sure about that ?

    And didn't the Gulf War start with air stikes ? Yep, sure did.

    Then " boots on the ground ".
    You are right about the Gulf war but the boots were already in place in nearby Saudi Arabia. That is not the case now unless you count the Saudi army. Those are the boots that Obama would like to see take the hurt to ISIS, especially in Syria. Syria has a Sunni majority too. It is becoming clear that ISIS is a spectre formed out of the Shia/Sunni imbalance we caused by handing Iraq to the Iranians. What better way to crush it than with a Sunni Army? It will take the wind out of their sails and reassert Sunni power by weakening Iran's hold on Iraq.
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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I agree with that. A prolonged war only increases causalities and caused more death and destruction than if we went in full hog with the idea of winning this thing and getting it over. No half measures.
    The enemy is relentless and eager, it seems, to waste their lives. We have to be just as relentless, use our strengths to the maximum, and not waste any lives. When forces were cut in Afghanistan and Iraq there were more casualties. It may look good politically but it's not so good for the troops. I'd rather be surrounded by 50,000 good people than 1,600 and most everyone would say the same..

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