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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    The middle east is one crazy place where little makes sense. But at this moment in time, defeating ISIS should be the number one priority. In a way it is like WWII, we made nice with Uncle Joe Stalin in order to defeat what was then our number one priority, Hitler. We have made nice with numerous scumbags over the years. But if the strategy the president laid forth is to work, we do needs boots on the ground. Air Strikes are nice, but we need a force to follow them up. Much like when Afghanistan when we first went in. The Northern Alliance on the ground providing the combat troops and pushing home the advantage our Air Power gave them. Soon the Taliban was driven out of Afghanistan with the Afghani doing the fighting.

    I think ISIS could be handled this way if we had credible boots on the ground. A force willing to fight to take advantage of what our air strikes do. Now it is plain that President Obama is not going to use American forces, so those boots on the ground will have to come from other sources. Assad is sitting on a force of approximately 250,000 men. Now they are all conscript, but conscript armies can fight if given the right leadership and incentive which our air power could supply. Iraqi military isn't about to fight, the kurds will but won't venture far from their homeland. Iraq as a country means nothing to them. So what or whom is left?

    Sometimes in situations like this, one must choose the lesser of two evils, the least evil bad guy. What is our number one priority and how given the restrictions placed upon us, can we accomplish the mission. The only way I see at the moment is to make nice with Assad and use his ground forces. My opinion anyway.
    don't think Assad can project forces that far from Damascus. The Kurds will do their part - they are finally getting heavy weapons.
    I still think it comes down to the Sunni's though -in Iraq for sure -Assad is Alawite (Shi'a). we need Sunni's to stand up, even if we were to put boots in.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    The middle east is one crazy place where little makes sense. But at this moment in time, defeating ISIS should be the number one priority. In a way it is like WWII, we made nice with Uncle Joe Stalin in order to defeat what was then our number one priority, Hitler. We have made nice with numerous scumbags over the years. But if the strategy the president laid forth is to work, we do needs boots on the ground. Air Strikes are nice, but we need a force to follow them up. Much like when Afghanistan when we first went in. The Northern Alliance on the ground providing the combat troops and pushing home the advantage our Air Power gave them. Soon the Taliban was driven out of Afghanistan with the Afghani doing the fighting.

    I think ISIS could be handled this way if we had credible boots on the ground. A force willing to fight to take advantage of what our air strikes do. Now it is plain that President Obama is not going to use American forces, so those boots on the ground will have to come from other sources. Assad is sitting on a force of approximately 250,000 men. Now they are all conscript, but conscript armies can fight if given the right leadership and incentive which our air power could supply. Iraqi military isn't about to fight, the kurds will but won't venture far from their homeland. Iraq as a country means nothing to them. So what or whom is left?

    Sometimes in situations like this, one must choose the lesser of two evils, the least evil bad guy. What is our number one priority and how given the restrictions placed upon us, can we accomplish the mission. The only way I see at the moment is to make nice with Assad and use his ground forces. My opinion anyway.
    I agree that ISIS is a priority target, but I was responding to you claim that Syria isn't involved in hostile activity toward Israel.
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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    I'm a chess player - much appreciate the term/idea. Stalemate means no caliphate, but partitioning of Iraq. I'm good with that.

    Just "check" these guys like perpetual check on the chessboard
    By blocking Isis's every move, we will force it to stagnate.
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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    By blocking Isis's every move, we will force it to stagnate.
    ISIS is way more sophisticated than the "normal" terrorist group...
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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Oh I served and shed blood for this Country. Which you were already given a clue. Yet couldn't figure it out. So save all the BS about what you think you know about Combat then.

    Oh and I don't know need to make anything up about where.....I was. I'm the one that came out missing pieces.
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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    thanks for clarity. how about this?
    are we not nation building in Syria picking sides -whom to train arm who to not?
    Bad enough we tried very hard very long to do "regime change" with the 'Assad must go' meme.

    All l I can think of now is degrade/desroy ISIL,and hope the ground forces - whomever they are - can do the job.
    Counter-terrorism. Not counter insurgency.
    The problem is we are now starting to arm what is known or what we have been told is moderate secular Islamic rebels. Some 5,000 of them which will not be available for at least a year. But even if they were, the numbers do not add up. 5,000 against ISIS's 30,000 and growing along with our moderate secular Islamic force taking on Assad's 250,000 man force and some other rebel groups all at the same time.

    Perhaps we can get the Iraqi Army reconstituted, but if they are like what we seen so far...

    Who does that really leave? NATO isn't going to commit troops, not Turkey. The Kurds will fight, but not far from their homeland. Iraq as a nation means nothing to them, they want their own homeland, country. But our NATO ally Turkey says no way. Other Arab nations, will they provide troops? I think not.

    Perhaps we are in a corner here, where do we turn to for those troops that can push home the advantage our air strikes will give them? I see only one source at the moment. Perhaps not a nice source, perhaps even a force that would keep a tyrant in power. Perhaps we must decide which of the two evils present, ISIS and Assad we want left standing at the end of the day. I think reality with Putin and Iran backing Assad, he isn't going anywhere unless ISIS is successful in overthrowing him. It will not be our 5,000 strong moderate secular Islamic rebels.

    There are way too many questions here, way too many bad choices, way too many dictators and tyrants. But it does seem, like it or not, that is whom has to be in charge for that region to remain stable. Kings, dictators, princes, tyrants. I wonder if there is really an answer to all of this.
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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    When Iraq denied our troops amnesty, thus forcing them to abide by their barbaric and archaic laws and punishments, I would have pulled them out too.

    Screw Iraq.
    And don't forget they WANTED us out.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Turkish regulars would stand a better chance IMO against ISIS and would probably find an unlikely ally in the Iraqi Kurds......
    Howdy AP, it has been awhile. I would agree the Turks would be the best ground forces. But Turkey does not want anything to do with the Kurds and their push for their own homeland/country.
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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    By blocking Isis's every move, we will force it to stagnate.
    they stagnate in place then , which is unacceptable.
    They are self sufficient. they can't be allowed to hold territory forever .
    The danger is the region begins to accept the idea that parts of it are firmly the Islamic State.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    How is that strategy working out for the world in the Ukraine and the Middle East?
    Fine if we wouldn't cave in.
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