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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    That's exactly why it was so stupid for the U.S. to bomb Japan and Germany during World War II. Why, that was no way to achieve peace in a volatile situation! It just made the Japanese and Germans want to take revenge. We should never make any enemy mad at us, because if we make him feel icky he will just react by doing things to make us feel icky, too.

    Ah hello?

    I missed the part where the Allies announced that it was a "no boots on the ground" kind of deal. I seem to recall there was this thing called "D-Day" where the Allies landed a little over 150,000 troops in one day. And two atomic bombs used in Japan. Is that what you're suggesting?

    As is usually the case with progressives there is a total lack of understanding of history or war for that matter. Again we see an over simplification of the issue to the point of absurdity. The issue is not the aerial assaults, but only aerial assaults announced weeks ahead of time amid a direct promise of "no boots on the ground." So the comparison is idiocy in itself. ISIS knows the entire US strategy and have apparently figured out where the bombs will land. Hitler was convinced by some clever footwork of the British the allies were planning to invade the north, and the bombing raids were carried out to perpetuate that myth and limit Germany's ability to re-supply and re-arm. The Nazi's were surprised and overwhelmed, the bombing was used to "soften the target" for an invasion.

    So the differences are extensive, starting with the fact the Allies had a strategy, one designed by the smartest military men in the west, kept it secret and carried it out. Obama has no strategy, certainly not one designed for military success, has pre-announced his plans and appears incapable of carrying them out.

    It's time to start dealing with the questions, the unanswered questions instead of deliberately diverting attention from them.
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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Dems were all about overthrowing saddam until they decided to play politics for 2004. Some of us have short memories so its best to be reminded.
    It's not a right vs left issue. The Washington elites were going to do what they were going to do regardless of which party was in office.

    You don't screw with the petrodollar. Doing so will get your country invaded by the US. Sadaam learned that lesson the hard way. He inaccurately calculated that by switching oil sales in to Euro, the EU would protect him.

    While the EU nations did bitch and moan about the Iraq invasion, they didn't lift a finger to help Sadaam.

    Today, Iraq sells its oil in dollars once more. We won. Mission accomplished.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I think it would be fair to state the 100 budgeted for 2015 will be used up before 2015 even arrives. And when you consider all air weapons took a major cut in funding, how many other weapons will be the same?
    Thats certainly reasonable, Im just saying we have more than 100 (even if thats how its budgeted) and we aren't likely to continue to use them at this pace. I dont expect attacks like this to keep up, the arabs dont have the stamina, and our president doesn't have the will. Obama will strike from time to time up until the election, it will serve as a distraction from the rest of his fail, and paint him as tough on terror. This is ALL about politics with Obama.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    This is a defacto terrorist state-I say that any time a defacto terrorist state starts beheading Americans and killing children for being from the wrong town that we should respond with great vengeance and furious anger. Send em to allah in style.
    There's a danger of allowing small personal attacks to control us with reactions. Any country that doesn't do the unexpected sometimes, and control their own goals, are suspect to be manipulated against their own long term benefit.
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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    It's hard to see what these small Gulf states could have contributed other than the use of airbases there. And there are a couple bases in the outback of Jordan that could have been useful, because they are closer to the areas attacked, for launching search and rescue missions or drone strikes.

    But I keep wondering, why not Cyprus? I would think the British are right with us on all this, and they have at least one large, well-equipped airbase there. Because Cyprus is so close to the target areas, and because a good part of a flight from there would be over the ocean, where there is no threat of anti-aircraft fire, it seems very well suited as a base, especially for the fighter-bombers involved. When strikes are launched from a long range, each aircraft can carry less weight in weapons and needs other aircraft to refuel it.

    Could it be that Turkey has some influence over the British bases on Cyprus, and President Pinprick is worried about offending his Islamist pals in the Turkish government?
    My first thought when you mentioned Cypress was the turkish presence there. Plus I think we had other options, like a carrier force and refueling wing.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    There's a danger of allowing small personal attacks to control us with reactions. Any country that doesn't do the unexpected sometimes, and control their own goals, are suspect to be manipulated against their own long term benefit.
    That's what I'm saying.

    The enemy is practically telling America it wants them to send troops back in.

    That's gotta tell you something.

    If the enemy is goading you very strongly to do something, chances are it could be a mistake.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    They took out a Syrian Fighter over the Golan this morning. Right when we began our attacks.
    Yeah I heard, I'd guess the Syrian jet veered into Israeli airspace by accident. Turkey did the same thing last year, IIRC.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Well stated and I'd argue that the best way to end any war is to WIN it. Appeasing enemies and singing about peace only lead to more of the horrors of war.
    You mean an all-out offensive? Naval and Air supported invasion of a large enough enough force to destroy, disband and disarm the enemy?

    There is the small problem of the mid terms and Obama's "peace" prize and the still lingering smell of how Al-Qaeda was put out of business in Libya and how he had solved Iraq before and that maybe this war on terror thing is not winnable, like Vietnam.

    Hard to make all that work with body bags coming back. Might have had there been some success in the past, but it's been nearly 14 years of constant warfare, your allies have been ground down, and the nation is weary of being frightened all the time.
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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Well, you're correct Nazism is not a serious threat at the present time, but it does still exist and in the future it could once again rear its ugly head.
    The point was it was marginalized. It didn't "create more".

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Obama abandoned it. If Obama can't play with the cards he was dealt, as every president before him has had to do, maybe he should just quit.
    Deflection. The proposition (i.e., rightwing talking point) was that you shouldn't oust dictators in the middle east. So -- SAY IT LOUD NOW -- who ousted Saddam?

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