US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria[W:354]

EnigmaO01 · Sep 24, 2014

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Grant said:
In the long run the country was stable and Obama's greatest achievement.

It was a house of cards waiting to collapse. Their government was alienating the sunnies and kurds and they even threw them out of the military.

You got any more revisionist stories to tell?

EnigmaO01 · Sep 24, 2014

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Grant said:
Malaki had to say what he did for political reasons, and that was understood at the time, but no one thought this posturing would ever lead to troop removal.

After thousands of American troops dead and wounded, more in Coalition troops, would any serious person leave Iraq because a minor actor like Malaki tells them to? They could negotiate a SOFA Agreement, as in many other places around the world but, as Obama has said, he didn't want to sign an agreement but wanted to bring the troops home. He then said what a great job he did in doing that, and as he promised. This was against the advice of all the military, and what's happening now was predicted by the CIA and the Bush administration and now even Obama is changing his story for the the low info's. I know you know all this, btw, im just reiterating for the LIV's.

Obama Now Claims It Wasn't His Decision to Leave Iraq

Only Obama Thinks Wars Are Always Optional | The American Spectator

You're sticking up for corrupt Al Maliki that responsible for Iraq's problems? Good God man you righties are desperate.

Fletch · Sep 24, 2014

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EnigmaO01 said:
Link please?

here you go:

Obama's 2012 Debate Boast: I Didn't Want to Leave Any Troops in Iraq | The Weekly Standard

MR. ROMNEY: [W]ith regards to Iraq, you and I agreed, I believe, that there should have been a status of forces agreement. Did you —

PRESIDENT OBAMA: That's not true.

MR. ROMNEY: Oh, you didn't — you didn't want a status of forces agreement?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: No, but what I — what I would not have done is left 10,000 troops in Iraq that would tie us down. That certainly would not help us in the Middle East

Fletch · Sep 24, 2014

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EnigmaO01 said:
It was a house of cards waiting to collapse. Their government was alienating the sunnies and kurds and they even threw them out of the military.

You got any more revisionist stories to tell?

Joe Biden in an interview proclaimed that Iraq would be one of the Obama Administrations greatest achievements. You really should pay more attention to what is going on before you accuse others of making things up.

notquiteright · Sep 24, 2014

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Grant said:
. What thousands more dead GI s are you talking about? A majority of the American government were for the war, a great coalition was made, Saddam Hussein was defeated, democracy was introduced and the war was won. All that was given away to Islamists when Barrack, against the advice of everyone, removed the victorious troops from Iraq. That makes no sense.

The thousands who died after 'Mission Accomplished' and the thousands who would die to keep 'the promise'....

CON no sense! A contrived series of lies to build a house of cards, a coalition that was a few miles south of great, a democracy in name only, and a new terrorist breeding ground where none had existed before. More over we enabled Iran to gain HUGE advantage in the region. As far as winning a war, that is off the deep end!!!! We BRIBED our way out of Iraq after doing ever stupid move imaginable!

As far as President Obama pulling out our troops- the host nation refused to sign a status of forces agreement. Would you have us force our 'ally' to the table? Force out one hand picked crony for a more pliant one??? More bribes to what many outside of the CON circle saw as a corrupt Shia power structure. (do note the Kurds refused to play with anyone, even now as ISIL is poised on their borders)

BushII never won Iraq so the Obama could lose it.... get real....

blackjack50 · Sep 24, 2014

Grant said:
The US has always been there, as has Australia when needed. The trouble is that most of the rest of the world can no longer defend themselves and the US cannot risk this cancer growing. This need to act, unfairly as it is, has been thrust upon them. And of course having a Community Organizer from Chicago in charge of something this big does not inspire confidence in anyone.

If Obama left the decisions up to the US military then I think there would be a coalition force much more quickly,

Killing Isis who kills Americas is one thing. I feel any action like that should be met with significantly greater and harsher force. And then we should leave. Anytime someone considers harming America...they should have to consider that our reaction will be triple what they do.

Equally they should also feel that we won't be involved if they don't involve us.

Doing what we are doing is not going to win us any support and it is only going to create more problems down the road. Just like the Cold War.

US Conservative · Sep 24, 2014

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EnigmaO01 said:
It was a house of cards waiting to collapse. Their government was alienating the sunnies and kurds and they even threw them out of the military.

You got any more revisionist stories to tell?

The only revisionist stories are Obama's. He sold Iraq out, and now many have died.

US Conservative · Sep 24, 2014

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notquiteright said:
BushII never won Iraq so the Obama could lose it.... get real....

Every so often the left just comes out and says it like it is. Thank you for demonstrating your true colors. Perhaps you can tell this to the mothers of those children beheaded by ISIS.

Fenton · Sep 24, 2014

EnigmaO01 said:
It was a house of cards waiting to collapse. Their government was alienating the sunnies and kurds and they even threw them out of the military.

You got any more revisionist stories to tell?

Then why pull out every last remnant of American Military personnel ?

If it was so unstable that is.

EnigmaO01 · Sep 24, 2014

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Fletch said:
here you go:

Obama's 2012 Debate Boast: I Didn't Want to Leave Any Troops in Iraq | The Weekly Standard

MR. ROMNEY: [W]ith regards to Iraq, you and I agreed, I believe, that there should have been a status of forces agreement. Did you —

PRESIDENT OBAMA: That's not true.

MR. ROMNEY: Oh, you didn't — you didn't want a status of forces agreement?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: No, but what I — what I would not have done is left 10,000 troops in Iraq that would tie us down. That certainly would not help us in the Middle East

Work on your reading comp. When Obama said, "No" he meant he is saying he didn't say he didn't want a SOFA.

What do you take me for?

EnigmaO01 · Sep 24, 2014

Fenton said:
Then why pull out every last remnant of American Military personnel ?

If it was so unstable that is.

Because we can't hold their hands forever. It was hoped if we didn't keep enabling them and being their crutch they might figure it's in their best interest to get their act together. Sadly I still don't think they get it. There new prime minister is chastising us for not being there sooner. WTF?

US Conservative · Sep 24, 2014

EnigmaO01 said:
There new prime minister is chastising us for not being there sooner. WTF?

They never wanted us to leave, and have spent the last year watching ISIS make gains across their territory-beheading and crucifying as they do.
The entire time-Obama has ignored them and his own generals. Do you really not understand that?

Montecresto · Sep 24, 2014

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Montecresto · Sep 24, 2014

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pbrauer said:
It was for show, showing he means business.

Showing that he means borders are sovereign, except when they aren't. And no wonder Putin's ignoring his tough talk on Ukraine.

Fenton · Sep 24, 2014

EnigmaO01 said:
Because we can't hold their hands forever. It was hoped if we didn't keep enabling them and being their crutch they might figure it's in their best interest to get their act together. Sadly I still don't think they get it. There new prime minister is chastising us for not being there sooner. WTF?

Wow, you people are so terminally isolated by your Political position its absurd.

In 2008 and 2012 millions of morons elected a Guy who had NO business even considering running for this Nations highest office.

Based on Political expediency ALONE he chose to bail on Iraq.

Who knows how many lives were lost nust because Obama wanted to perpetuate a desperate false narrative about a Bush Invasion by doing something that was inexplicably stupid.

All for Political points. Foreign policy for democrats is all about placating for votes.

Lives are lost ? So what. Lie about a stupid You tube video, blame Bush and make Political hay out of it

You people think of a vote as a way to get back at your ideological foes.

You don't give a second thought about the true consequences of electing a Leader based on platitudes and bumper sticker slogans.

You dont see it as a life or death decision but it is.

I can think of 4 Americans that would be alive today if a bunch of children trapped in the bodies of adults hadn't equated emtpy campaign slogans to Presidential qualifications and elected a JR SENATOR with NO QUALIFICATIONS.

So here we are again, holding their hands. Cleaning up after the mess of a incompetent who had NO clue what the hell he was doing.

GreatNews2night · Sep 24, 2014

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Perotista said:
I agree, get in, win the darn thing with all available means and then come home. All this limited this and that, this tit for tat, all that does is prolong things and causes more death and destruction than if we went in full hog and got the darn thing over as fast as we could.

I agree with this. Half-baked measures often get us in protracted messes. The first Gulf war with 500K troops and thousands of tanks was a clean and fast victory.
This said it is rather annoying that *we* need to always be the cleaners, risking our men and women in uniform. It would be lovely to have our strong Air Force and Navy doing the bombing, and some French and British and Australian and Canadian soldiers and whatnot (plus some regional players) do the boots-on-the-ground part.

Perotista · Sep 24, 2014

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GreatNews2night said:
I agree with this. Half-baked measures often get us in protracted messes. The first Gulf war with 500K troops and thousands of tanks was a clean and fast victory.
This said it is rather annoying that *we* need to always be the cleaners, risking our men and women in uniform. It would be lovely to have our strong Air Force and Navy doing the bombing, and some French and British and Australian and Canadian soldiers and whatnot (plus some regional players) do the boots-on-the-ground part.

That it would, I agree whole heartily. The problem is, like us, those countries do not want boots on the ground either. We will be lucky if they provide a few sorties. I think we will have to look locally for the troops which begs the questions, who and where are they? The Iraqi military has so far shown how worthless they are. The Kurds stand and fight, but will not move far from their homeland. There is only one other country in that area that would be happy to provide the troops while we bomb the heck out of ISIS and other terrorist organization in Syria and Iraq. But those troops belong to someone whom we voted to dispose of. So where to from here.

US Conservative · Sep 24, 2014

Fenton said:
Wow, you people are so terminally isolated by your Political position its absurd.

In 2008 and 2012 millions of morons elected a Guy who had NO business even considering running for this Nations highest office.

Based on Political expediency ALONE he chose to bail on Iraq.

Who knows how many lives were lost nust because Obama wanted to perpetuate a desperate false narrative about a Bush Invasion by doing something that was inexplicably stupid.

All for Political points. Foreign policy for democrats is all about placating for votes.

Lives are lost ? So what. Lie about a stupid You tube video, blame Bush and make Political hay out of it

You people think of a vote as a way to get back at your ideological foes.

You don't give a second thought about the true consequences of electing a Leader based on platitudes and bumper sticker slogans.

You dont see it as a life or death decision but it is.

I can think of 4 Americans that would be alive today if a bunch of children trapped in the bodies of adults hadn't equated emtpy campaign slogans to Presidential qualifications and elected a JR SENATOR with NO QUALIFICATIONS.

So here we are again, holding their hands. Cleaning up after the mess of a incompetent who had NO clue what the hell he was doing.

Direct hit. Isn't it funny how when its time to start cleaning up the BS, Obama suddenly starts acting more like a conservative? But its a facade-he could care less about Iraq-UNLESS it hurts him or his party politically.

Obama lost the peace for politics, and now he's being forced to clean up the mess.

solletica · Sep 24, 2014

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US Conservative said:
And if Obama never became Pres, losing the Peace in Iraq would never have occurred.

Now why should someone else have to clean up a mess made by the idiot before him?

Ever hear of the concept that one should take responsibility* for his/her own actions?

* note to posters: it's well that known that this quite a large word for conservatives to compreheed, given their level of maturity, but one can always hope.

On that note, it's really the right wingers that voted for dumbya that need to get their asses suited up and ship off to Iraq and fight ISIS. Since they liked him so much, they should be all to happy to deal w/the world he created themselves

while leaving the rest of us alone (including our pocketbooks).

Anyone got any ideas of how to get 'em on a boat? I'm thinking of giving a Sarah Palin lookalike a flute to whistle across the country and...

matchlight · Sep 24, 2014

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solletica said:
Now why should someone else have to clean up a mess made by the idiot before him?

Ever hear of the concept that one should take responsibility* for his/her own actions?

* note to posters: it's well that known that this quite a large word for conservatives to compreheed, given their level of maturity, but one can always hope.

On that note, it's really the right wingers that voted for dumbya that need to get their asses suited up and ship off to Iraq and fight ISIS. Since they liked him so much, they should be all to happy to deal w/the world he created themselves while leaving the rest of us alone (including our pocketbooks).

Anyone got any ideas of how to get 'em on a boat? I'm thinking of giving a Sarah Palin lookalike a flute to whistle across the country and...

* note to you: It sounds very much like you are calling everyone who voted for President Bush retarded. Manners, please.

solletica · Sep 24, 2014

US Conservative said:
Direct hit. Isn't it funny how when its time to start cleaning up the BS, Obama suddenly starts acting more like a conservative? But its a facade-he could care less about Iraq-UNLESS it hurts him or his party politically.

Obama lost the peace for politics, and now he's being forced to clean up the mess.

O is an idiot just like the Texan tard before him, but no one is forcing him to clean up the mess. O is just doing it because his sugar daddy Rex Tillerson is forcing his **** up his mouth (much like he did to his predecessor).

As for the mess in Iraq, the responsibility for cleaning it up is yours and your fellow right-wing brethren who voted for the idiot that invaded Iraq to create it.

So when are you gonna ship out and get over there?

solletica · Sep 24, 2014

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matchlight said:
* note to you: It sounds very much like you are calling everyone who voted for President Bush retarded. Manners, please.

My apologies. I should never have used such a demeaning word.

Those who voted for bush--thereby indirectly contributing to starting the mess in Iraq that never existed prior to bush--are merely special. They have special needs.

And I believe these needs can be met when they go to Iraq, where they will find love among the groups (mostly Iran and/or Syria backed Shiites) who they can join to fight ISIL in Iraq

US Conservative · Sep 24, 2014

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solletica said:
Now why should someone else have to clean up a mess made by the idiot before him?

Because he's the President, and knew what he was getting into. Is this hard to understand?

solletica · Sep 24, 2014

Fenton said:
Wow, you people are so terminally isolated by your Political position its absurd.

In 2008 and 2012 millions of morons elected a Guy who had NO business even considering running for this Nations highest office.

Based on Political expediency ALONE he chose to bail on Iraq.

Who knows how many lives were lost nust because Obama wanted to perpetuate a desperate false narrative about a Bush Invasion by doing something that was inexplicably stupid.

Bush invades Iraq and creates a big mess there that necessitates a long-term US military presence in Iraq to suppress the consequences of that mess, and bush's successor chooses to stop suppressing it.

So now the mess is the successor's fault?

Perhaps someone could explain this right wing "logic"--the notion that if person B fails to clean up a mess made by person A, then the mess is the fault of person B.

Kinda like if a kid breaks a cookie jar and spills the contents on the floor, and his Mom tries to clean it up, but then quits half way, then the cookie jar mess is the Mom's fault?!

Surely one of Dr. Seuss' books illustrates this form of "logic", or else why would the right keep reverting back to it?

US Conservative · Sep 24, 2014

solletica said:
As for the mess in Iraq, the responsibility for cleaning it up is yours and your fellow right-wing brethren who voted for the idiot that invaded Iraq to create it.

You are incorrect, Obama lost the Peace and now must clean up the mess.

Other Presidents man up and take responsibility. They dont have you to make excuses for them, do they?