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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Seeing that a number of Arab states, including Qatar participated, I have to give a lot of credit to Secretary of State Kerry. None of these states was onboard for military action during the President's speech. UAE, Bahrain, and Saudi Arabia are core Arab allies. Jordan is a strategic ally and had recently been threatened by ISIS. The one surprise for a lack of participation is Kuwait.
    Im going to have to read up on that, Kerry hasn't exactly been stellar up to this point.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    You know, I think we are both thinking the same answer, but for different reasons, so I'll go first.

    9/11, and the reason for the shift was because there was a great concern that Saddam might give over his WMDs to someone who would use it in an American city. We like to pretend that Saddam was the perfect choir boy before the Iraq War, but they also tend to forget about him kicking out the weapon inspectors. Had he of continued to cooperate, we wouldn't of gotten the impression he was hiding something, and we would of known that he didn't have any WMDs.

    And you say?
    No. Many other nations around the world have confirmed stockpiles of dangerous weapons. So why did the United States specifically target Iraq so soon after the Afghanistan invasion of 2001, when there was no link between Iraq and Al Qaeda?

    Washington had already been preparing for a new invasion of Iraq before 9/11. The Los Angeles Times reported (U.S. Air Bases Forge Double-Edged Sword - Page 2 - Los Angeles Times) that one year prior to the attacks of 9/11, the U.S. began constructing Al Adid, a billion dollar military base in Qatar with a 15,000-foot runway, in April 2000. What was Washington’s stated justification for the new Al Adid base, and other similar ones in the Gulf region? Preparedness for renewed action against Iraq.

    Here’s a Pentagon document dated March 5, 2001, entitled Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oil Field Contracts. It details how Iraq’s oil fields would be carved up and outsourced to Western oil companies two full years before the war. It would later be revealed that an invasion of Iraq was at the top of the Bush administration’s agenda only 10 days after his inauguration, which was a full eight months before 9/11.

    http://ftmdaily.com/wp-content/uploa...rgnSuitors.pdf
    Toppling Hussein a priority of Bush since early in term - Baltimore Sun
    Bush Sought 'Way' To Invade Iraq? - CBS News


    No. The U.S.-led invasion was inspired predominantly by Iraq’s public defiance of the petrodollar system.

    On September 24, 2000, Saddam Hussein allegedly emerged from a meeting of his government and proclaimed that Iraq would soon transition its oil export transactions to the euro currency.

    Not long after this meeting, Saddam Hussein began preparing to make the switch from pricing his country’s oil exports in greenbacks to euros. As renegade and newsworthy this action was on the part of Iraq, it was sparsely reported in the corporate-controlled media.

    CNN ran a very short article on its website on October 30, 2000, but after this one-day news cycle, the issue of Iraq’s switch to a petroeuro essentially disappeared from all five of the corporate-owned media outlets. CNN.com - Breaking News, U.S., World, Weather, Entertainment & Video News

    By 2002, Saddam had fully converted to a petroeuro – in essence, dumping the dollar.

    On March 19, 2003, George W. Bush announced the commencement of a full scale invasion of Iraq.


    That's your reason.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    No. Many other nations around the world have confirmed stockpiles of dangerous weapons. So why did the United States specifically target Iraq so soon after the Afghanistan invasion of 2001, when there was no link between Iraq and Al Qaeda?

    Washington had already been preparing for a new invasion of Iraq before 9/11. The Los Angeles Times reported (U.S. Air Bases Forge Double-Edged Sword - Page 2 - Los Angeles Times) that one year prior to the attacks of 9/11, the U.S. began constructing Al Adid, a billion dollar military base in Qatar with a 15,000-foot runway, in April 2000. What was Washington’s stated justification for the new Al Adid base, and other similar ones in the Gulf region? Preparedness for renewed action against Iraq.

    Here’s a Pentagon document dated March 5, 2001, entitled Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oil Field Contracts. It details how Iraq’s oil fields would be carved up and outsourced to Western oil companies two full years before the war. It would later be revealed that an invasion of Iraq was at the top of the Bush administration’s agenda only 10 days after his inauguration, which was a full eight months before 9/11.

    http://ftmdaily.com/wp-content/uploa...rgnSuitors.pdf
    Toppling Hussein a priority of Bush since early in term - Baltimore Sun
    Bush Sought 'Way' To Invade Iraq? - CBS News


    No. The U.S.-led invasion was inspired predominantly by Iraq’s public defiance of the petrodollar system.

    On September 24, 2000, Saddam Hussein allegedly emerged from a meeting of his government and proclaimed that Iraq would soon transition its oil export transactions to the euro currency.

    Not long after this meeting, Saddam Hussein began preparing to make the switch from pricing his country’s oil exports in greenbacks to euros. As renegade and newsworthy this action was on the part of Iraq, it was sparsely reported in the corporate-controlled media.

    CNN ran a very short article on its website on October 30, 2000, but after this one-day news cycle, the issue of Iraq’s switch to a petroeuro essentially disappeared from all five of the corporate-owned media outlets. CNN.com - Breaking News, U.S., World, Weather, Entertainment & Video News

    By 2002, Saddam had fully converted to a petroeuro – in essence, dumping the dollar.

    On March 19, 2003, George W. Bush announced the commencement of a full scale invasion of Iraq.


    That's your reason.
    Oh the Petrodollar...

    This is what happens when you confuse cause, for effect. And you ignore history. You wanna know the reason why we were planning before 9/11 for a war in Iraq? Because we had already been forced into airstrikes against Iraq, and it also might have been because Iraq wasn't being that cooperative. (Oh, and I'm sure the grudge between GW and Saddam had nothing to do with the attempt on his Father's life. I think something like that would probably be taken personal.) Finally, you realize that the military is planning military engagements right now for China? For Pakistan? Is this also because their running away from the Pedropound of whatever? Of course not, that's because the military is always game planning for the current Strategic threats out there. Heck, we had one for Afghanistan, and that's why only hours after the attack we already had special forces inside Afghanistan readying military operations.

    Also, you realize the US doesn't even get the majority of Iraq's Exports right? Hell, we're not even getting the largest cut of Iraq's oil. But I suppose that's something you conveniently missed hmm?

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    An AK-47 is probably worth a year's salary for your average 20-something rural Syrian/Iraqi.... and that's assuming they can buy one on the open market. And that's hardly the only weapons they had. Use your head. Where did they get those guns? How did they get so organized?
    Those guns aren't American so I don't see your point.
    The average 20-something rural Syrian/Iraqi owns an AK-47, they're everywhere in those lands.
    They gained money and funds from ransoming the people and selling the oil that they captured, and used that to train themselves and get themselves equipment.
    Still, after all that, they're still less equipped and less skilled than your average Kurd militant.
    There was no American training and funding of their troops.
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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    No. Many other nations around the world have confirmed stockpiles of dangerous weapons. So why did the United States specifically target Iraq so soon after the Afghanistan invasion of 2001, when there was no link between Iraq and Al Qaeda?

    Washington had already been preparing for a new invasion of Iraq before 9/11. The Los Angeles Times reported (U.S. Air Bases Forge Double-Edged Sword - Page 2 - Los Angeles Times) that one year prior to the attacks of 9/11, the U.S. began constructing Al Adid, a billion dollar military base in Qatar with a 15,000-foot runway, in April 2000. What was Washington’s stated justification for the new Al Adid base, and other similar ones in the Gulf region? Preparedness for renewed action against Iraq.

    Here’s a Pentagon document dated March 5, 2001, entitled Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oil Field Contracts. It details how Iraq’s oil fields would be carved up and outsourced to Western oil companies two full years before the war. It would later be revealed that an invasion of Iraq was at the top of the Bush administration’s agenda only 10 days after his inauguration, which was a full eight months before 9/11.

    http://ftmdaily.com/wp-content/uploa...rgnSuitors.pdf
    Toppling Hussein a priority of Bush since early in term - Baltimore Sun
    Bush Sought 'Way' To Invade Iraq? - CBS News


    No. The U.S.-led invasion was inspired predominantly by Iraq’s public defiance of the petrodollar system.

    On September 24, 2000, Saddam Hussein allegedly emerged from a meeting of his government and proclaimed that Iraq would soon transition its oil export transactions to the euro currency.

    Not long after this meeting, Saddam Hussein began preparing to make the switch from pricing his country’s oil exports in greenbacks to euros. As renegade and newsworthy this action was on the part of Iraq, it was sparsely reported in the corporate-controlled media.

    CNN ran a very short article on its website on October 30, 2000, but after this one-day news cycle, the issue of Iraq’s switch to a petroeuro essentially disappeared from all five of the corporate-owned media outlets. CNN.com - Breaking News, U.S., World, Weather, Entertainment & Video News

    By 2002, Saddam had fully converted to a petroeuro – in essence, dumping the dollar.

    On March 19, 2003, George W. Bush announced the commencement of a full scale invasion of Iraq.


    That's your reason.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Yep.....now ISIS will look to play the Hamas game and hope that the MS Media will report all those innocent deaths. The women.....oh and of course the Children. They want the MS media to keep reporting that and make that into an issue. Especially with the terrorists going underground, hiding and blending in with the civilian population.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    President Obama no longer tells the GOP politicians what he will do BEFORE the fact, public or private.
    We've seen all too often when these skunks run to FOX and undercut the President in front of the world--and our enemies .
    BO peep doesnt tell Democrats or his Joints Chiefs of Staff either.....so really as usual you aren't saying much with this BS.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by FaceofBachmann View Post
    He's giving us the "Cheney historical narrative" which he got from some rightwing website and Fox News.
    Nah not at all.....perhaps when you are checking back with the Demo Underground for some more talking points about Bush an Cheney. You can ask them to give you some info as to what is going on in Todays world. That would be known as Reality in Current time.

    Lets see if you can manage to hang with that rather that getting lost in History.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by FaceofBachmann View Post
    Already answered that. But you know it. You just want to indulge your low information narrative. And I just want to point out its absurdities. Carry on.

    (By the way, telos -- wrong word)

    Well so far with all those Demo Underground talking points.....you didn't think you were actually amazing anyone with all that so called intellect.....did you? Think first.....remember!

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    So you openly admit that Mr. Obama is not worried about his popularity and politics with how he is conducting his strategy.
    This is as it should be--too bad your side doesn't see it that way .
    So why is it again you can't figure out when most political pundits left and Right.....state BO goes by whats popular with the people. What did those ears selectively forget all that was said, you know the usual when it comes to the left.

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