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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Saudi Arabia is the USA's #1 ally in the Middle East. Moreso than even Israel. We will never do anything to harm the Saudis. Guaranteed.
    I know that (for now...never is a LONG time).

    That is why my question was rhetorical.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Some ally.

    You're right that we won't do anything to harm the Saudis, but that's not because we shouldn't.
    They're a very good ally.

    Without the support of the Saudi's, the American economy would collapse entirely. Let that marinate. We need them.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Some ally.

    You're right that we won't do anything to harm the Saudis, but that's not because we shouldn't.
    We shouldn't. If anything Iraq taught us (and Syria with Assad) it's better to back the evil governments as long as they keep their real evil contained....

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    They're a very good ally.

    Without the support of the Saudi's, the American economy would collapse entirely. Let that marinate. We need them.
    Oh please, if forced we could adapt without Saudi Oil. Between the US and Canada, we have enough energy reserves that we could cope if we were forced to.
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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Well as long as you aren't a Truther then there's hope

    Also, we didn't need 9/11 to justify air strikes back in the 90's during Desert Fox, so it's not like the US wouldn't go along with taking out Saddam. Also, you're missing the context of the fact that we believed (not just the US, even world powers like Russia and France who opposed the war) they had WMDs. In a post 9/11 war, it was very scary for us to think of country who was already our enemy, with access to those weapons.

    Knowing what I know today, I wouldn't support the invasion of Iraq, but then again, hindsight is always 20/20. That said, I wish we still had Saddam around to deal with ISIS...



    The difference being that Saudi Arabia hasn't threatened doom on the US, and the fact that the people they are beheading aren't journalist. Not to excuse what Saudi Arabia is doing, but let's not pretend that the two are equal.
    You should look at the bigger picture, not what the government-controlled media is feeding you. Here's an interview with Dick Cheney.... yes that Dick Cheney.... back in 1994 after the first Iraq war. Notice how he's saying we shouldn't go in to Iraq and topple Sadaam Hussein, and listen to the reasons he gives.



    You're telling me he forgot all that when he came back in to power the second go around? Use your head. What changed?

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    calm down.


    One question...Saudi Arabia beheads people for ridiculously pathetic reasons. They are being just about as cruel as ISIS - should America air strike them...yes or no?
    And cue the equivocation. When saudi arabia invades Jordan, starts systematically beheading children, and threatens the US get back to me.

    Try your hardest to understand its not just about the action-its about who's doing it and WHY that matter.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    We shouldn't. If anything Iraq taught us (and Syria with Assad) it's better to back the evil governments as long as they keep their real evil contained....



    Oh please, if forced we could adapt without Saudi Oil. Between the US and Canada, we have enough energy reserves that we could cope if we were forced to.
    Has nothing to do with energy reserves.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Everything is preliminary at this point, and often times these early reports turn out to be wrong.

    One last thing I'll say about Japan and Germany is that both those countries have hundreds and thousands of years tied up in what it means to be "German" or "Japanese". For a country like Iraq, the term Iraqi means very little compared to Sunni and Shia.
    Fine but my comparison was to islamists, not sectarin, or nationalist, etc.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    First off, I wasn't referring to the drawing, but the Piccard face palm.

    As far as your question:

    US launches air strikes against Isis targets in Syria | World news | theguardian.com

    And because you seem to be a bit touchy, I'll do the quoting for you this time:



    Also, you know, if people are complaining about the US doing these air strikes, how do you think they'd react of Israel got involved? Heck, even when they were getting hit by Saddam, We made it clear that they were no to retaliate against that.

    And finally, as far as me agreeing or not, I'm not sure how I feel about this to be honest. For one thing, I do believe the current strategy is flawed and only going to cause more problems. I'd be working with Assad and Iran if I was in charge of things in coordinating a campaign against ISIS. Even without US efforts, I'm inclined to agree that the combined forces of Iraq, Assad's Syria, and Iran could probably handle ISIS. With all that said, we know what happens when we allow an Islamist state to exist...
    Lol...touchy?

    About what? What a bunch of nameless, faceless people on a chat forum think? You could all be bright 10 year olds or inmates in a prison for all I know. The day I get 'touchy' about what someone says on here is the day I should stop posting here.

    I simply just see ZERO point in debating with people with closed minds. It solves nothing and just wastes time, imo.



    As for the rest...your post is noted.

    Though it is still woefully short of details.

    How many planes did the other countries commit? What type of planes (bombers or just support aircraft)? On what targets? How much AA assets were defending these targets (in other words - were they tough targets or easy ones)? What EXACTLY were the targets? Where were the targets (which part of ISIL)? And on and on...

    Come on man, surely you know 'government-speak' by now...make a general statement that sounds rosy but gives few details. And when asked for details, claim 'national security' or 'military secrecy' does not allow more details to be released.

    That report said almost nothing to me.


    And I will say again, ISIS is a very small army with NO air force. I am sure ANY major country in the Middle East could take it out in a few weeks if it wanted to.

    So why don't they?

    The answer is obvious - they do not want to badly enough AND/OR why should they when they know America will just do it for them.


    We are done here, for now.


    Good day.
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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Since when is having an AK-47 considered 'well equipped'?
    Any other weapons that they hold have been gained by capturing Syrian Army outposts and nothing more.
    An AK-47 is probably worth a year's salary for your average 20-something rural Syrian/Iraqi.... and that's assuming they can buy one on the open market. And that's hardly the only weapons they had. Use your head. Where did they get those guns? How did they get so organized?

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    You should look at the bigger picture, not what the government-controlled media is feeding you. Here's an interview with Dick Cheney.... yes that Dick Cheney.... back in 1994 after the first Iraq war. Notice how he's saying we shouldn't go in to Iraq and topple Sadaam Hussein, and listen to the reasons he gives.



    You're telling me he forgot all that when he came back in to power the second go around? Use your head. What changed?
    You know, I think we are both thinking the same answer, but for different reasons, so I'll go first.

    9/11, and the reason for the shift was because there was a great concern that Saddam might give over his WMDs to someone who would use it in an American city. We like to pretend that Saddam was the perfect choir boy before the Iraq War, but they also tend to forget about him kicking out the weapon inspectors. Had he of continued to cooperate, we wouldn't of gotten the impression he was hiding something, and we would of known that he didn't have any WMDs.

    And you say?

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