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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Early reports seem to indicate we did in fact use drones, but that wasn't as big of news as it was for F22's to be involved. If that is the case, it is in fact the first time F22's have been used in combat to my knowledge.



    I've always had two problems with the analogy of current ME conflicts and that of our WW2 adversaries. For one thing, we dropped something like a million tons of ordnance on Germany and two nukes on Japan. And to this point, we really haven't done that much damage and suffering. Plus, the Japanese and the Germans were far more civilized than these guys. And even in that case, had Hirohito not made a personal plea for peace, we probably would of had a situation very similar in to the ME in Japan.
    Interesting on the drones, Im sure assad stood down but I know for a fact that ISIS has manpads all over its territory.

    My comparison to ww2 was not on a logistical or even situational level-but rather an ideological level. The nazi and bushido codes. And yes, ISIS is worse.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    One - I am not searching through that whole page for your data. If you have something to show, please be specific...I do have a life you know.

    Two - all I saw (whilst glancing at the page) was this 'Bahrain, Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates "participated in or supported" the strikes, the Pentagon says' That says participated in or supported.

    Three - I did not draw the cartoon. Nor do I take responsibility for it's accuracy. Nor do I care that much.

    But if the Arab states are SO involved - then why do they need America (rhetorical question)? ISIS is (apparently) made up of only about 7-10,000 troops and ZERO airpower. I am quite sure Israel or Saudi Arabia or several other countries could obliterate them in a few weeks with air strikes if they wanted to.

    If they want them gone so badly...let them do it.

    You don't agree - I don't much care.

    I am curious what other countries are actively striking at ISIS AND TO WHAT EXTENT...that is all I am interested in.

    Debating closed minded people seems a ridiculous waste of time to me - no offense.

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    First off, I wasn't referring to the drawing, but the Piccard face palm.

    As far as your question:

    US launches air strikes against Isis targets in Syria | World news | theguardian.com

    And because you seem to be a bit touchy, I'll do the quoting for you this time:

    Quote Originally Posted by The Guardian
    A Pentagon statement said the 14 strikes against Isis targets were carried out with Bahrain, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar. Jordan confirmed it its airforce had “destroyed a number of targets that belong to some terrorist groups that sought to commit terror acts inside Jordan” without making explicit reference to Syria.
    Also, you know, if people are complaining about the US doing these air strikes, how do you think they'd react of Israel got involved? Heck, even when they were getting hit by Saddam, We made it clear that they were no to retaliate against that.

    And finally, as far as me agreeing or not, I'm not sure how I feel about this to be honest. For one thing, I do believe the current strategy is flawed and only going to cause more problems. I'd be working with Assad and Iran if I was in charge of things in coordinating a campaign against ISIS. Even without US efforts, I'm inclined to agree that the combined forces of Iraq, Assad's Syria, and Iran could probably handle ISIS. With all that said, we know what happens when we allow an Islamist state to exist...

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Truther, eh?
    Nope. But never let a good crisis go to waste.

    For example.... Al Qaeda attacks the WTC, and we attack.... Iraq? They had what, exactly, to do with the world trade center attack? Nada. Nothing.

    Had it not been for the inflamed American public at the time, though, and the rampant anti-islam sentiments in the US, the Iraq war could never have been justified.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Im saying they were a radical ideology and we didn't ask to go to war with them-we were MADE TO, and we defeated them-and it didn't create more zealots. APPEASEMENT DID NOT WORK. Take a god damned deep breath and stop wanting to run. Some people (who behead children and crucify old men) only understand power, lets give them a dose and send a message.
    calm down.


    One question...Saudi Arabia beheads people for ridiculously pathetic reasons. They are being just about as cruel as ISIS - should America air strike them...yes or no?

    Save you answer, the question was rhetorical as I know you will probably just make some justification for more Neocon wars.

    Saudi Arabia, key to Obama’s strategy, beheaded at least 8 people last month - The Washington Post

    Saudi Arabia executes 19 in one half of August in 'disturbing surge of beheadings' - Middle East - World - The Independent

    BBC News - Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Saudi woman beheaded for 'witchcraft and sorcery' - CNN.com


    You choose to fear pathetic terrorists and apparently would give up freedoms in America to feel more safe.

    Not me.

    If bombing countries whenever the mood strikes a POTUS, torturing/detaining/killing innocents as 'the ends justify the means' and removing ANY freedoms from Americans is the only way for America to survive.

    Then let it die.


    'It's better to be dead and cool, then alive and uncool.'


    And America has DEFINITELY become uncool.

    Hopefully, one day they can become cool...but not like this they won't.


    We are done here, for now.


    Good day.
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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    If you watched any of the vids they're so keen on posting you'd realize that they aren't well trained and they aren't well equipped.
    If anything they are only well organized.
    Right, I'm sure they're just trying to establish a caliphate with rocks and slingshots.

    They can't afford to feed their families, but they somehow have millions of dollars worth of arms. Makes sense.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Interesting on the drones, Im sure assad stood down but I know for a fact that ISIS has manpads all over its territory.

    My comparison to ww2 was not on a logistical or even situational level-but rather an ideological level. The nazi and bushido codes. And yes, ISIS is worse.
    Everything is preliminary at this point, and often times these early reports turn out to be wrong.

    One last thing I'll say about Japan and Germany is that both those countries have hundreds and thousands of years tied up in what it means to be "German" or "Japanese". For a country like Iraq, the term Iraqi means very little compared to Sunni and Shia.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    calm down.


    One question...Saudi Arabia beheads people for ridiculously pathetic reasons. They are being just about as cruel as ISIS - should America air strike them...yes or no?

    Save you answer, the question was rhetorical as I know you will probably just make some justification for more Neocon wars.

    Saudi Arabia, key to Obama’s strategy, beheaded at least 8 people last month - The Washington Post

    Saudi Arabia executes 19 in one half of August in 'disturbing surge of beheadings' - Middle East - World - The Independent

    BBC News - Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Saudi woman beheaded for 'witchcraft and sorcery' - CNN.com


    We are done here, for now.


    Good day.

    Saudi Arabia is the USA's #1 ally in the Middle East. Moreso than even Israel. We will never do anything to harm the Saudis. Guaranteed.

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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Right, I'm sure they're just trying to establish a caliphate with rocks and slingshots.

    They can't afford to feed their families, but they somehow have millions of dollars worth of arms. Makes sense.
    Since when is having an AK-47 considered 'well equipped'?
    Any other weapons that they hold have been gained by capturing Syrian Army outposts and nothing more.
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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Saudi Arabia is the USA's #1 ally in the Middle East. Moreso than even Israel. We will never do anything to harm the Saudis. Guaranteed.
    Some ally.

    You're right that we won't do anything to harm the Saudis, but that's not because we shouldn't.
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    Re: US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Nope. But never let a good crisis go to waste.

    For example.... Al Qaeda attacks the WTC, and we attack.... Iraq? They had what, exactly, to do with the world trade center attack? Nada. Nothing.

    Had it not been for the inflamed American public at the time, though, and the rampant anti-islam sentiments in the US, the Iraq war could never have been justified.
    Well as long as you aren't a Truther then there's hope

    Also, we didn't need 9/11 to justify air strikes back in the 90's during Desert Fox, so it's not like the US wouldn't go along with taking out Saddam. Also, you're missing the context of the fact that we believed (not just the US, even world powers like Russia and France who opposed the war) they had WMDs. In a post 9/11 war, it was very scary for us to think of country who was already our enemy, with access to those weapons.

    Knowing what I know today, I wouldn't support the invasion of Iraq, but then again, hindsight is always 20/20. That said, I wish we still had Saddam around to deal with ISIS...

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    calm down.


    One question...Saudi Arabia beheads people for ridiculously pathetic reasons. They are being just about as cruel as ISIS - should America air strike them...yes or no?

    Save you answer, the question was rhetorical as I know you will probably just make some justification for more Neocon wars.

    Saudi Arabia, key to Obama’s strategy, beheaded at least 8 people last month - The Washington Post

    Saudi Arabia executes 19 in one half of August in 'disturbing surge of beheadings' - Middle East - World - The Independent

    BBC News - Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Saudi woman beheaded for 'witchcraft and sorcery' - CNN.com


    We are done here, for now.


    Good day.
    The difference being that Saudi Arabia hasn't threatened doom on the US, and the fact that the people they are beheading aren't journalist. Not to excuse what Saudi Arabia is doing, but let's not pretend that the two are equal.

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