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    Turkish hostages held by IS in Iraq released

    Dozens of hostages seized by Islamic State (IS) from the Turkish consulate in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul have been freed and are back in Turkey.The 49 were greeted by flag-waving crowds in Ankara after arriving in southern Turkey early on Saturday.
    Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said Turkey's intelligence agency had led the operation, but gave few details.

    BBC News - Turkish hostages held by IS in Iraq released
    I'm curious to know that those "details" were.
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    Re: Turkish hostages held by IS in Iraq released

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    I'm curious to know that those "details" were.
    Turkey refuses to engage with their "allies" such as the US, and is rewarded for their deference to these pigs known as ISIS.
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    Re: Turkish hostages held by IS in Iraq released

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Turkey refuses to engage with their "allies" such as the US, and is rewarded for their deference to these pigs known as ISIS.
    Each country must do what they perceive is in their national interest. One has to admit the United States hasn't really been out front in dealing with ISIS. Out front enough to get others to follow that is. These tit for tat air strikes may help keep the situation stalemated for the time being in Iraq, but they certainly won't roll back ISIS.

    There is a big difference between leading with a belly flop into the pool, everyone then knows your serious. Now dipping one's toes into the pool will leave a bunch of potential allies wonders if you are serious.
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    Re: Turkish hostages held by IS in Iraq released

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Turkey refuses to engage with their "allies" such as the US, and is rewarded for their deference to these pigs known as ISIS.
    And this really pisses me off:

    A nurse who works at a private hospital in Mersin, a city and province on the Mediterranean coast of Turkey, has told Turkish authorities and Parliament that she is sick and tired of treating members of the terrorist organization the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), which now calls itself the "Islamic State."
    The nurse, who was identified only by her initials, E.G., in a news story published by the Taraf daily on Wednesday, said of ISIL militants: “We treat them, and they go on to decapitate people. I am sick of treating wounded ISIL militants.” E.G. has also written a letter to Parliament and the National Police Department, saying she and her colleagues are extremely disturbed by the fact that they have to treat people “who chop off heads.”

    Nurse says she's tired of treating ISIL terrorists
    I mean, it's one thing to decline to aid us, but to permit these guys to be hospitalized on Turkish soil is ridiculous. Obama said they'd have no sanctuary anywhere on the planet. Yeah, right.
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    Re: Turkish hostages held by IS in Iraq released

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Each country must do what they perceive is in their national interest. One has to admit the United States hasn't really been out front in dealing with ISIS. Out front enough to get others to follow that is. These tit for tat air strikes may help keep the situation stalemated for the time being in Iraq, but they certainly won't roll back ISIS.

    There is a big difference between leading with a belly flop into the pool, everyone then knows your serious. Now dipping one's toes into the pool will leave a bunch of potential allies wonders if you are serious.
    There's no belly flop coming, or ever even contemplated...This has always been a misguided plan of containment, and a poor one at that.
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    Re: Turkish hostages held by IS in Iraq released

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    And this really pisses me off:



    I mean, it's one thing to decline to aid us, but to permit these guys to be hospitalized on Turkish soil is ridiculous. Obama said they'd have no sanctuary anywhere on the planet. Yeah, right.
    NATO should reconsider Turkey's membership...They can't be counted on.
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    Re: Turkish hostages held by IS in Iraq released

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    There's no belly flop coming, or ever even contemplated...This has always been a misguided plan of containment, and a poor one at that.
    I am sure Turkey sees it the same way. Now they are willing to ship arms to the Syrian Rebels and help in their training. But even so, I am sure Turkey weighed the risks vs. the potential reward and decided to stay out of the ISIS mess
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    Re: Turkish hostages held by IS in Iraq released

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I am sure Turkey sees it the same way. Now they are willing to ship arms to the Syrian Rebels and help in their training. But even so, I am sure Turkey weighed the risks vs. the potential reward and decided to stay out of the ISIS mess
    Turkey is shifting:

    "Turkey is feeling its Muslim identity more and more. The trend worries secular Turkish politicians, who believe the state’s central tenet is under threat. In late October, a senior officer of Turkey’s army — which ousted a government it saw as overly Islamic in 1997 — issued a rare warning to that effect.

    Others say the threat is overstated, but acknowledge that Turks do feel pushed eastward by pressures on their country from America and Europe. A poll by the Pew Foundation in June found that 53 percent of Turks have positive views of Iran, while public opinion of Europe and the United States has slipped sharply.

    “Many people in Turkey have lost hopes in joining Europe and they are looking for other horizons,” said Onur Oymen, an opposition politician whose party is staunchly secular."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/28/wo...anted=all&_r=0

    As such, even if we don't see ourselves "at war" with radical Islam, they certainly see themselves "at war" with ANYONE not adhering to the strict tenants of Islam, and the Koran. If Turkey sides with them in this, then we can no longer consider them a reliable ally.
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    Re: Turkish hostages held by IS in Iraq released

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Turkey is shifting:

    "Turkey is feeling its Muslim identity more and more. The trend worries secular Turkish politicians, who believe the state’s central tenet is under threat. In late October, a senior officer of Turkey’s army — which ousted a government it saw as overly Islamic in 1997 — issued a rare warning to that effect.

    Others say the threat is overstated, but acknowledge that Turks do feel pushed eastward by pressures on their country from America and Europe. A poll by the Pew Foundation in June found that 53 percent of Turks have positive views of Iran, while public opinion of Europe and the United States has slipped sharply.

    “Many people in Turkey have lost hopes in joining Europe and they are looking for other horizons,” said Onur Oymen, an opposition politician whose party is staunchly secular."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/28/wo...anted=all&_r=0

    As such, even if we don't see ourselves "at war" with radical Islam, they certainly see themselves "at war" with ANYONE not adhering to the strict tenants of Islam, and the Koran. If Turkey sides with them in this, then we can no longer consider them a reliable ally.
    I have said all along, the middle east is not the area of my expertise. Let's say I am just a casual observer. I can understand them being upset by not being considered part of Europe. But they really never was, Europe ends at Istanbul and the middle east begins. Now I do not know what can be done about that. Perhaps it all goes back to the Ottoman's, Muslim vs. Europe, Christian.

    The Turks are not Arab and neither is Iran. But they do have the same religion and perhaps the slight from Europe and probably the Arabs may be bringing Iran and Turkey closer together. Who knows. But anything I say is pure speculation. But as for ISIS, it is understandable if any nation choose not to follow us when they see that we are only going in half way and really no commitment to make sure the job gets finished. The only real commitment it seems when it comes to ISIS is no boots on the ground. So perhaps the big question is, what will our half commitment accomplish? Is half a commitment good enough to get others to go along. Some have, but with a half commitment one shouldn't expect everyone to just jump into the pool.

    I am not sure we even know what we want to accomplish when it comes to ISIS.
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    Re: Turkish hostages held by IS in Iraq released

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Each country must do what they perceive is in their national interest. One has to admit the United States hasn't really been out front in dealing with ISIS. Out front enough to get others to follow that is. These tit for tat air strikes may help keep the situation stalemated for the time being in Iraq, but they certainly won't roll back ISIS.

    There is a big difference between leading with a belly flop into the pool, everyone then knows your serious. Now dipping one's toes into the pool will leave a bunch of potential allies wonders if you are serious.

    My guess is those of you that think the air strikes are minor wouldn't think so when the 500 pounders start falling on or near your position. Having loaded and armed fighter jets I wouldn't want to be within a mile of that ordinance. The ol' man that called in air strikes to the perimeter of his Special Forces camps in Vietnam says he had to hold on to something they make the ground shake so much. Both of my parents have experienced bombs and mortars and say there is nothing to compare it to. My mother experienced it in WWII as a little girl. Even had an allied fighter pilot strafe her as she ran with her mother.
    Last edited by EnigmaO01; 09-20-14 at 02:38 PM.

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