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    Re: Turkish hostages held by IS in Iraq released

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    No mix up just talked to him at dinner. It was 1972 and he trained 50 battalions. Said something about them being trained in Long Hai and it was a former R& R base. 6 to 12 year olds! No mistake. I think he and I know the difference especially since he was there.

    My dad retired as a Msgt. Special Forces in 1973.
    50 battalions? The Khmer Rouge never had a 50 thousand man army.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Turkish hostages held by IS in Iraq released

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    No mix up just talked to him at dinner. It was 1972 and he trained 50 battalions. Said something about them being trained in Long Hai and it was a former R& R base. 6 to 12 year olds! No mistake. I think he and I know the difference especially since he was there.

    My dad retired as a Msgt. Special Forces in 1973.
    Okay, so he was training the enemy. Read this:

    Khmer Rouge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    While I was at JUSMAG/MACTHAI our J-3 in coordination with MEDT-C, 7/13th AF Udorn, USDAO both in Saigon and Phnom Penh we sent tons of ARC LIGHTS B-52's and other aircraft to bomb the heck out of the Khmer Rouge. Also during this time we were training Lon Nol's Cambodian Army and Air Force pilots south of Ubon Thailand and in Pakse Laos. I would not doubt that training of his Army was taking place in Vietnam also. In Thailand the training was done by 46th SF Company along with DEPCH and MACTHAI personnel. In fact as part of Operation Waterpump located at Udorn RTAFB training of both Laotian and Cambodian Pilots from the Lon Nol side was taking place. MACTHAI J-3 was in charge of that after MACTHAI took over Project Water Pump from the CIA’s 4802nd JLD, the 56thSOW and funding from DEPCHJUSMAGTHAI.

    I still highly doubt you dad would be training enemy forces especially if he was with MACV-SOG and CCN. But whatever you say.
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    Re: Turkish hostages held by IS in Iraq released

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    50 battalions? The Khmer Rouge never had a 50 thousand man army.
    I think the official DOD estimate of the Khmer Rouge was around 60,000 towards the end of the war. Combine them with the NVA/VC in Cambodia, you are talking well over 100,000 combined troops. Lon Nol and his FANK had more men, but they were rag tag and not well trained and really not dedicated to anything.

    I just think he got the two sides mixed up. No big thing. One thing though that I hate, is after the North Vietnamese invaded Cambodia to put a stop to the Pol Pot/Khmer Rouge killing fields, Jimmy Carter in 1979 did start aiding the KR to oppose the Vietnamese who had taken over Cambodia. I think we should have thanked the Vietnamese for that.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Turkish hostages held by IS in Iraq released

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think the official DOD estimate of the Khmer Rouge was around 60,000 towards the end of the war. Combine them with the NVA/VC in Cambodia, you are talking well over 100,000 combined troops. Lon Nol and his FANK had more men, but they were rag tag and not well trained and really not dedicated to anything.

    I just think he got the two sides mixed up. No big thing. One thing though that I hate, is after the North Vietnamese invaded Cambodia to put a stop to the Pol Pot/Khmer Rouge killing fields, Jimmy Carter in 1979 did start aiding the KR to oppose the Vietnamese who had taken over Cambodia. I think we should have thanked the Vietnamese for that.
    Vietnam invaded Cambodia in response to a premptive invasion by Pol Pot. Let's not get carried away with patting the Vietcoms on the back.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Turkish hostages held by IS in Iraq released

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Vietnam invaded Cambodia in response to a premptive invasion by Pol Pot. Let's not get carried away with patting the Vietcoms on the back.
    Regardless of the reason, I am still grateful for it. Killing 2-3 million of your own people, that is out of a country that at the time had only 7 million people. Say around 35% of a countries total population wiped out by the KR.
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    Re: Turkish hostages held by IS in Iraq released

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    50 battalions? The Khmer Rouge never had a 50 thousand man army.
    As usual you don't know what you're talking about. They may not have had 50 battalions later on but 50 were trained. My guess is considering their ages and the fact that they were pulled from their families, there was some attrition, not to mention deaths.

    I stand by what my father has told me and he's never been known to make things up. He doesn't have to. You weren't there so you don't know squat. Just googling or going by what the official line was, does not always give you the real picture.

    I'm done with this discussion. It may not have been wise of me to even post what I posted considering it was probably a clandestine operation. For those of you that are old enough to remember we were never officially in Cambodia.

    I'm not happy the U.S. trained Khmer Rouge child soldiers, that at least some probably went on to be instrumental in the "Killing Fields" even if had a strategic reason at the time. However my father was doing what he as ordered to do.
    Last edited by EnigmaO01; 09-21-14 at 01:05 PM.

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    Re: Turkish hostages held by IS in Iraq released

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Okay, so he was training the enemy. Read this:

    Khmer Rouge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    While I was at JUSMAG/MACTHAI our J-3 in coordination with MEDT-C, 7/13th AF Udorn, USDAO both in Saigon and Phnom Penh we sent tons of ARC LIGHTS B-52's and other aircraft to bomb the heck out of the Khmer Rouge. Also during this time we were training Lon Nol's Cambodian Army and Air Force pilots south of Ubon Thailand and in Pakse Laos. I would not doubt that training of his Army was taking place in Vietnam also. In Thailand the training was done by 46th SF Company along with DEPCH and MACTHAI personnel. In fact as part of Operation Waterpump located at Udorn RTAFB training of both Laotian and Cambodian Pilots from the Lon Nol side was taking place. MACTHAI J-3 was in charge of that after MACTHAI took over Project Water Pump from the CIA’s 4802nd JLD, the 56thSOW and funding from DEPCHJUSMAGTHAI.


    I still highly doubt you dad would be training enemy forces especially if he was with MACV-SOG and CCN. But whatever you say.
    You can doubt all you want but it doesn't change what really happened. It wouldn't be the first time we trained the enemy of my enemy.

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    Re: Turkish hostages held by IS in Iraq released

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think the official DOD estimate of the Khmer Rouge was around 60,000 towards the end of the war. Combine them with the NVA/VC in Cambodia, you are talking well over 100,000 combined troops. Lon Nol and his FANK had more men, but they were rag tag and not well trained and really not dedicated to anything.

    I just think he got the two sides mixed up. No big thing. One thing though that I hate, is after the North Vietnamese invaded Cambodia to put a stop to the Pol Pot/Khmer Rouge killing fields, Jimmy Carter in 1979 did start aiding the KR to oppose the Vietnamese who had taken over Cambodia. I think we should have thanked the Vietnamese for that.
    Again no mix up. Do you really think a Green Beret would mix up the Khmer Rouge with someone else? Seriously? I can look at all the pictures, plaques, etc. anytime I want and there is no mistake.

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    Re: Turkish hostages held by IS in Iraq released

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    You can doubt all you want but it doesn't change what really happened. It wouldn't be the first time we trained the enemy of my enemy.
    The Khmer Rouge wasn't the enemy of our enemy in 1970.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Turkish hostages held by IS in Iraq released

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Khmer Rouge wasn't the enemy of our enemy in 1970.
    1972.

    Like I said I'm done with your insults.

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