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    Re: US Intercepts 8 Russian Warplanes Near Alaska

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Well the F-22 may be operational but there have been no reports that it has been involved in air combat as of yet so I am curious as to what it could do.

    Also there was a report I read a few years ago about German Air Force pilots bragging that their Tornadoes were able to outmaneuver F-22s in a mock dogfight and shot them down in a simulation. While the top USAF brass may think dogfights are outdated, they felt the same way when they first deployed the F-4 Phantom over Vietnam and they didnt arm it with a cannon, thinking nobody would want to dogfight anymore- the North Vietnamese air force proved them wrong.
    That would be hard to believe, since the F-22 has vectored thrust capability, a Tornado would not be able to turn with it, or operate in the same envelope.
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    Re: US Intercepts 8 Russian Warplanes Near Alaska

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The scary part is the Russians have no fear of Obama.......They can do anything they want without fear of retribution.
    This is total BS!

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    Re: US Intercepts 8 Russian Warplanes Near Alaska

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I just watched a couple of MiG-31 versus F-22 flight simulators. The F-22's won each time. The MiG's were detected several miles out while the F-22's went undetected except when they engaged their afterburners. Otherwise, the F-22 attained lock and fired their missiles and the MiG-31's never had a chance even when they detected the missles coming at them.

    Granted, this was all simulations, but very impressive.

    Curious, though...did Russia actually build the MiG-31 Firefox from the movie of the same name? (Re: Clint Eastwood era)
    I'm pretty sure the Movie and the book that is based on which I actually have read used a real plane as its basis or at least the name of a designation of class of Russian planes.

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    Re: US Intercepts 8 Russian Warplanes Near Alaska

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    F-22s are operational. The F-35 is untested so to speak.

    With respect to an in-close dogfight, that's a different matter. From ABC News:

    The United States has spent nearly $80 billion to develop the most advanced stealth fighter jet in history, the F-22 Raptor, but the Air Force recently found out firsthand that while the planes own the skies at modern long-range air combat, it is “evenly matched” with cheaper, foreign jets when it comes to old-school dogfighting.

    F-22 Raptor Loses $79 Billion Advantage in Dogfights: Report - ABC News
    Dog fights only happen in the movies now, the stealth aspect of the Raptor is not just for avoiding surface to air missiles but it, also, prevents enemy aircraft from attaining radar lock meaning that the only long range detection system which can see the Raptor is an infrared system which most planes (including these MIGs from the OP) are not equipped with and even if they are Infrared capable the Raptors own radar has a range appx. 3 times longer than even the Eurofighters P.I.R.A.T.E system which is far more advanced than anything the technologically backwards Russians can muster.

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    Re: US Intercepts 8 Russian Warplanes Near Alaska

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    There will remain a role for manned fighters for the next few decades, but I don't think they'll be produced in the same numbers as the last ones, F-18's etc. They have plans on ordering a bunch of F-35's but technology, costs and unmanned aircraft are quickly changing the concept of modern warfare.
    Even the F22 has more capabilities than a human pilot can handle.

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    Re: US Intercepts 8 Russian Warplanes Near Alaska

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Its not the Mig 31 we need to watch out for. Its their Mig 35.

    The MIG35 is not even a 4.5 Generation aircraft it is a 4th generation aircraft the F22 is a fully 5th generation aircraft, a single F22 is capable of taking on squadrons of MIG35's.

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    Re: US Intercepts 8 Russian Warplanes Near Alaska

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    F-22s are operational. The F-35 is untested so to speak.

    With respect to an in-close dogfight, that's a different matter. From ABC News:

    The United States has spent nearly $80 billion to develop the most advanced stealth fighter jet in history, the F-22 Raptor, but the Air Force recently found out firsthand that while the planes own the skies at modern long-range air combat, it is “evenly matched” with cheaper, foreign jets when it comes to old-school dogfighting.

    F-22 Raptor Loses $79 Billion Advantage in Dogfights: Report - ABC News
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    Re: US Intercepts 8 Russian Warplanes Near Alaska

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Well the F-22 may be operational but there have been no reports that it has been involved in air combat as of yet so I am curious as to what it could do.

    Also there was a report I read a few years ago about German Air Force pilots bragging that their Tornadoes were able to outmaneuver F-22s in a mock dogfight and shot them down in a simulation. While the top USAF brass may think dogfights are outdated, they felt the same way when they first deployed the F-4 Phantom over Vietnam and they didnt arm it with a cannon, thinking nobody would want to dogfight anymore- the North Vietnamese air force proved them wrong.
    A) Dog fights no longer happen except in the movies.

    B) The F22 is still the superior dog fighter as it has thrust vectoring capabilities so they still beat the Germans advanced Eurofighter but the Germans were actually able to score some kills during that exercise scenario, however, during the actual exercise the Eurofighters got zero hits and were blown out of the sky before they even saw the Raptors.

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    Re: US Intercepts 8 Russian Warplanes Near Alaska

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    That would be hard to believe, since the F-22 has vectored thrust capability, a Tornado would not be able to turn with it, or operate in the same envelope.
    It wasn't the Tornado it was the Eurofighter which is their best and the Raptors still beat them in the dogfight scenario portion of the exercise, however, it was the only portion of the over all exercise in which the Eurofighters were able to score any points.

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    Re: US Intercepts 8 Russian Warplanes Near Alaska

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    Dog fights only happen in the movies now, the stealth aspect of the Raptor is not just for avoiding surface to air missiles but it, also, prevents enemy aircraft from attaining radar lock meaning that the only long range detection system which can see the Raptor is an infrared system which most planes (including these MIGs from the OP) are not equipped with and even if they are Infrared capable the Raptors own radar has a range appx. 3 times longer than even the Eurofighters P.I.R.A.T.E system which is far more advanced than anything the technologically backwards Russians can muster.
    I agree, but the question to which I responded dealt with dogfights.

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