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White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install sol

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APACHERAT said:
In my life time I've been a member of the Teamsters, Longshoremens ILWU and IBEW.

As a longshoremen I could say we worked part time but got paid for full time. :lol:
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Then I don't get what your problem is with this. Are you being obtuse just to be obtuse? Or are you just one of those people who will oppose anything this President presents as a viable solution/initiative to create jobs and spur economic growth and development just because?

The crazy thing is you would deny others that same economic prosperity you acknowledge you've experienced. That's so wrong-headed.
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
How do you know they don't exist?
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I'll let you decide. It is a 7 billion per year industry (the size of the NFL) with 69,000 employees everywhere in the industry. That includes not only installers but people in manufacturing, sales, management etc. etc. The industry grew 14% last year. How long will it take before the industry needs 50,000 more employees of all types, let alone installers? It took me 5 minutes and common sense to discover than the plan is a waste of money. Since we assume that people in the government can do the same thing, it is a political move, not anything related to creating jobs.

We spend a lot more money giving it away to foreign countries like Israel. Why not pump it into the economy here? It's not like it's flushed down the toilet like it is in Iraq or Afghanistan.
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You are assuming that I approve of foreign aid. I can't imagine why.

Would you have been against the CCC during the Great Depression too?
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Without question. Not the role of government and it did nothing to spur the economy.

Btw I will be running all my utilities on solar and wind in the near future much to the chagrine of my power company. And it does take some serious electrical skills to pull it off safely and correctly. Fortunately I get help from a family member that has those skills and knowledge.
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One less solar panel installer required. Now we can train 49,999 of them.
 
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APACHERAT said:
In my life time I've been a member of the Teamsters, Longshoremens ILWU and IBEW.

As a longshoremen I could say we worked part time but got paid for full time. :lol:
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I understand what you are getting at, and believe me, I don't like the Union blueprint anymore than anyone else, but as a vet that got out after thinking that I was getting some kind of training in the Army, only to be told that my military training didn't transfer into civilian qualification for the job, I think that as long as there is demand for the electricians in the solar industry to employ these people then I am all for it....They gave to this country by volunteering, and one of the good things we can do to say thanks is to train them and get them working on the outside....

There are many things that this administration wastes money on, training our vets, and getting them working, is not one of them.
 
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Objective Voice said:
You know, I find it very interesting that the people who scream the loudest about how bad the country needs jobs are also the same people who complain when any initiative is fostered to spur job growth.

I get that such people don't like unions, but unless other industries are willing to move forward with initiatives to create new jobs especially where opening up new industries is concerned, I don't have a problem with the government taking the lead in partnership with unions to train our veterans in growth industries at good pay.
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It looks like we need more schooling again. Businesses don't create jobs because the population needs more of them. In fact their goal is to operate profitably with as few people as possible. They create jobs when they need more people to operate profitably. In other words, they create jobs when there is business growth. If you want jobs, you want business growth. Training people for non existent jobs doesn't affect business growth. Apacherat is correct if he sees the political nonsense in this program. It is a program designed to appeal to voters who don't see through it. It has nothing at all to do with the health or future of the economy.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
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:applaud:applaud I can not say how much I love this program! Job training, new jobs, and green energy! :mrgreen: This is a great program, and I cannot think why anyone ccouldbe against this!
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50,000?


Since when was there a demand for 50,000 jobs in the solar panel industry? I missed that.

Oh, wait....

Announcement in September, election in early November.....I get it. that reads as a possible 100,000 plus votes if you consider the ones that think they will be soon getting a job, and their wives and family.

Cute. It's how leftis politicians in Canada have been buying votes for a century now. Obama is catching on.
 
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DA60 said:
Another government program that will probably end up costing far, FAR more then it ever saves.
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You know about a government program that saves money?
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
Veterans need jobs. Should we train them to be coal miners instead?
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Why not, we have a lot more use for coal miners. Seriously, at least find something we need to train them on if we're going to spend federal dollars.
 
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fmw said:
It looks like we need more schooling again. Businesses don't create jobs because the population needs more of them. In fact their goal is to operate profitably with as few people as possible. They create jobs when they need more people to operate profitably. In other words, they create jobs when there is business growth. If you want jobs, you want business growth. Training people for non existent jobs doesn't affect business growth. Apacherat is correct if he sees the political nonsense in this program. It is a program designed to appeal to voters who don't see through it. It has nothing at all to do with the health or future of the economy.
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Exactly why I phrased my post the way I did.

As we learned from the Great Recession, the commercial banking industry proved once again that certain industries are as territorial as they are predatory. They'll only create "spin-offs" into new industries when it serves their best interest - their bottom line...profits. Until then, they'll do everything in their power to either protect their market share or prevent any other industry from infringing on the "choice and competition" that already exists. It's why big oil and coal have fought against solar energy, why diesel fuel hasn't replaced petro fuel or why gas companies fought so hard against the electric car opting instead to accept hybrids.

When industries won't allow new technology to encroach on their market share, the only way new industries can make end-roads is to be supplement by government. Now, did the Obama Administration "chock-out" big oil during the BP Gulf Oil spill? No, but they certainly slowed things down alittle. Has the Obama Administration stifled the coal industry? Not really. They'll simply shift to foreign markets leaving more low-cost energy sources to be fostered here in the U.S. which should make energy cheaper and safer and more abundant.

Like all "creatures," animals are protective of their territory. Big business is no different.
 
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Objective Voice said:
Like all "creatures," animals are protective of their territory. Big business is no different.
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That is the basic element of the management job description. Do you think this is bad for some reason? Wouldn't you want a business that you deal with to be successful and protect its success?
 
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j-mac said:
I understand what you are getting at, and believe me, I don't like the Union blueprint anymore than anyone else, but as a vet that got out after thinking that I was getting some kind of training in the Army, only to be told that my military training didn't transfer into civilian qualification for the job, I think that as long as there is demand for the electricians in the solar industry to employ these people then I am all for it....They gave to this country by volunteering, and one of the good things we can do to say thanks is to train them and get them working on the outside....

There are many things that this administration wastes money on, training our vets, and getting them working, is not one of them.
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I was unaware that there was a demand for electricians. And installing solar panels is more of apprenticeship level.


The IBEW use to have an excellent apprenticeship program, some locals still do while many are just fast tracking people through the program because the actual agenda is to increase union membership which means more political contributions for the Democrats.

With the current administration in the White House I'm very suspicious of any thing related to renewable energy that Obama is involved in. How many billions have already been flushed down the stink hole ?
 
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APACHERAT said:
I was unaware that there was a demand for electricians. And installing solar panels is more of apprenticeship level.


The IBEW use to have an excellent apprenticeship program, some locals still do while many are just fast tracking people through the program because the actual agenda is to increase union membership which means more political contributions for the Democrats.

With the current administration in the White House I'm very suspicious of any thing related to renewable energy that Obama is involved in. How many billions have already been flushed down the stink hole ?
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I understand, and agree with your anger. I'm just sayin' I wish there had been something like this when I got out, would have saved me about ten years struggling....
 
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j-mac said:
I understand, and agree with your anger. I'm just sayin' I wish there had been something like this when I got out, would have saved me about ten years struggling....
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There was, just like there was for me, it's called the GI Bill.
 
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clownboy said:
There was, just like there was for me, it's called the GI Bill.
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I had a family to immediately support, couldn't take the time to just go to school...Had to work right away.
 
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j-mac said:
I had a family to immediately support, couldn't take the time to just go to school...Had to work right away.
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You don't have to only go to school on the GI Bill. OJT programs are covered as well. I worked and went to school under the GI Bill.
 
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clownboy said:
You don't have to only go to school on the GI Bill. OJT programs are covered as well. I worked and went to school under the GI Bill.
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Well, I guess I should have known you back then...Ah well. I still don't think it is a bad idea...
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
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[h=1]White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install solar panels[/h]
:applaud:applaud I can not say how much I love this program! Job training, new jobs, and green energy! :mrgreen: This is a great program, and I cannot think why anyone ccouldbe against this!
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Another example of brain dead waste of financial resources.....


Good grief...

Thom Paine
 
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j-mac said:
I understand, and agree with your anger. I'm just sayin' I wish there had been something like this when I got out, would have saved me about ten years struggling....
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I'm not angry except for the hundreds of billions of dollars that the Obama administration either threw at the unions or flushed down the toilet.

There was programs available when you got out if you wanted dirty your hands and break a sweat making a living. The construction trades unions all had apprenticeship programs back then as they do today. Electricians and plumbers still make decent money and union electricians and plumbers make excellent wages with excellent bennies.

Now if you want to make a whole lot of money, work on the docks, longshoremen have it made in the shade.
 
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APACHERAT said:
I'm not angry except for the hundreds of billions of dollars that the Obama administration either threw at the unions or flushed down the toilet.

There was programs available when you got out if you wanted dirty your hands and break a sweat making a living. The construction trades unions all had apprenticeship programs back then as they do today. Electricians and plumbers still make decent money and union electricians and plumbers make excellent wages with excellent bennies.

Now if you want to make a whole lot of money, work on the docks, longshoremen have it made in the shade.
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Yeah, like I said, I didn't make the wisest decisions back then...And I have a brand new baby, and needed work fast...Plus I was in a new state, not where I grew up, and didn't really know a whole lot of people...

As for "getting my hands dirty", I'd have to say I have done plenty of that in my life...I worked as a mechanic, and except for a short couple of years selling cars, I have driven truck for 20 years....That's not what I would call an easy job by any measure.
 
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j-mac said:
Yeah, like I said, I didn't make the wisest decisions back then...And I have a brand new baby, and needed work fast...Plus I was in a new state, not where I grew up, and didn't really know a whole lot of people...

As for "getting my hands dirty", I'd have to say I have done plenty of that in my life...I worked as a mechanic, and except for a short couple of years selling cars, I have driven truck for 20 years....That's not what I would call an easy job by any measure.
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What I have noticed throughout my life time is that vets aren't scared to break a sweat and dirty their hands. Can't say the same with non vets.

I was lucky after I was discharged, America still had an industrial base.
 
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APACHERAT said:
What I have noticed throughout my life time is that vets aren't scared to break a sweat and dirty their hands. Can't say the same with non vets.

I was lucky after I was discharged, America still had an industrial base.
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Right on brother...Sounds like we both ended up ok, even if our paths were different...;)
 
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APACHERAT said:
What I have noticed throughout my life time is that vets aren't scared to break a sweat and dirty their hands. Can't say the same with non vets.

I was lucky after I was discharged, America still had an industrial base.
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Oh Yeah.

One which has been motivated to move off shore to get better labor rates because mandated US labor rates aren't competitive.
One that is now being motivated to move off shore by increasing, and soon to be ever more, electrical costs (thanks Greenies and EPA).

This plan is just so much of this president's idiotic 'green technology' policy and idiotic energy policy, and isn't going to amount to much, if anything at all.

Coal plants produce the largest part of the base load electricity. Due to EPA regulations, they now have to expend huge sums of money to meet the ever more stringent, and some would say needlessly excessive, emissions standards. Where's that money going to be coming from?

It'll be coming Families and businesses in the form of higher electrical bills, as well as in the form of ever higher prices for goods and services.

Hike the price of electricity, business, and manufacturing in particular, are going to take a huge hit. While LED light bulbs purchased by families do save a bunch, the electrical motors needed by business and especially manufacturing are about as efficient as possible already. There are no magic bullet savings to be had there.

Nuclear isn't going to happen. Coal is going to be cost prohibitive pretty soon with all the regulation heaped on them by the activist EPA. Many coal plants are switching over to burn NG, as there is a surplus of that fuel.

The same ecomentalists-nut-jobs applauding this foolish and ideologically based and pointless jobs program are looking to ban fracking for all the wrong reasons. So there goes yet another possible electrical generation fuel source.

I've pretty much had it with these groups. If they want to cut off all the electricity by making it too expensive, let them be the first to live without any, and then see what they've got to say.

Anyone who supports bans on fracking, let them live without natural gas and then see what they've got to say.

How can any sane person consider it forward progress for society by pricing electricity and energy to the pain point? Robbing families via this mechanism?

Affordable electricity was deemed so important the US engaged in the Rural Electrification Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, now, it seems, the government is going to engage in the US deelectrification program, or perhaps the 'fleecing of the people through energy costs' program.
 
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j-mac said:
I understand, and agree with your anger. I'm just sayin' I wish there had been something like this when I got out, would have saved me about ten years struggling....
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My father served in the Royal Navy in WW2 and when he returned to Canada after the war, being lucky to survive, he came home to no job and while it was before I was born, he was still bitter about it until the day he died.

No man or woman who serves his or her country in time of war should return home to unemployment, poverty, and the emotional distress and stress these cause.

As such, any effort to help veterans reintegrate into the workforce is to be welcomed. I think the initial reaction here is the focus on green energy, a failure both in energy conversion and economic impact, and the impression that this is simply another Obama administration burning of tax dollars on green voodoo.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
My father served in the Royal Navy in WW2 and when he returned to Canada after the war, being lucky to survive, he came home to no job and while it was before I was born, he was still bitter about it until the day he died.

No man or woman who serves his or her country in time of war should return home to unemployment, poverty, and the emotional distress and stress these cause.

As such, any effort to help veterans reintegrate into the workforce is to be welcomed. I think the initial reaction here is the focus on green energy, a failure both in energy conversion and economic impact, and the impression that this is simply another Obama administration burning of tax dollars on green voodoo.
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Greetings, CJ! :2wave:

We need thousands of miles of trenches dug to get our grid underground for our safety. Why can't people be put to work doing that? They don't need to necessarily use shovels for everything - there are trenchers made for that purpose. People can b taught to use them. Solar is good for people who live in areas that get sufficient sun to justify the cost - we don't, as I learned to my chagrin when I investigated using solar here in NE Ohio! What are we supposed to do?
 
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