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    Re: White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    What I have noticed throughout my life time is that vets aren't scared to break a sweat and dirty their hands. Can't say the same with non vets.

    I was lucky after I was discharged, America still had an industrial base.
    Oh Yeah.

    One which has been motivated to move off shore to get better labor rates because mandated US labor rates aren't competitive.
    One that is now being motivated to move off shore by increasing, and soon to be ever more, electrical costs (thanks Greenies and EPA).

    This plan is just so much of this president's idiotic 'green technology' policy and idiotic energy policy, and isn't going to amount to much, if anything at all.

    Coal plants produce the largest part of the base load electricity. Due to EPA regulations, they now have to expend huge sums of money to meet the ever more stringent, and some would say needlessly excessive, emissions standards. Where's that money going to be coming from?

    It'll be coming Families and businesses in the form of higher electrical bills, as well as in the form of ever higher prices for goods and services.

    Hike the price of electricity, business, and manufacturing in particular, are going to take a huge hit. While LED light bulbs purchased by families do save a bunch, the electrical motors needed by business and especially manufacturing are about as efficient as possible already. There are no magic bullet savings to be had there.

    Nuclear isn't going to happen. Coal is going to be cost prohibitive pretty soon with all the regulation heaped on them by the activist EPA. Many coal plants are switching over to burn NG, as there is a surplus of that fuel.

    The same ecomentalists-nut-jobs applauding this foolish and ideologically based and pointless jobs program are looking to ban fracking for all the wrong reasons. So there goes yet another possible electrical generation fuel source.

    I've pretty much had it with these groups. If they want to cut off all the electricity by making it too expensive, let them be the first to live without any, and then see what they've got to say.

    Anyone who supports bans on fracking, let them live without natural gas and then see what they've got to say.

    How can any sane person consider it forward progress for society by pricing electricity and energy to the pain point? Robbing families via this mechanism?

    Affordable electricity was deemed so important the US engaged in the Rural Electrification Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, now, it seems, the government is going to engage in the US deelectrification program, or perhaps the 'fleecing of the people through energy costs' program.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post


    Since when was there a demand for 50,000 jobs in the solar panel industry? I missed that.
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    Awesome! More Chinese solar panels for us!


    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install solar panels

    I can not say how much I love this program! Job training, new jobs, and green energy! This is a great program, and I cannot think why anyone ccouldbe against this!

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    Re: White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I understand, and agree with your anger. I'm just sayin' I wish there had been something like this when I got out, would have saved me about ten years struggling....
    My father served in the Royal Navy in WW2 and when he returned to Canada after the war, being lucky to survive, he came home to no job and while it was before I was born, he was still bitter about it until the day he died.

    No man or woman who serves his or her country in time of war should return home to unemployment, poverty, and the emotional distress and stress these cause.

    As such, any effort to help veterans reintegrate into the workforce is to be welcomed. I think the initial reaction here is the focus on green energy, a failure both in energy conversion and economic impact, and the impression that this is simply another Obama administration burning of tax dollars on green voodoo.
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    Re: White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    My father served in the Royal Navy in WW2 and when he returned to Canada after the war, being lucky to survive, he came home to no job and while it was before I was born, he was still bitter about it until the day he died.

    No man or woman who serves his or her country in time of war should return home to unemployment, poverty, and the emotional distress and stress these cause.

    As such, any effort to help veterans reintegrate into the workforce is to be welcomed. I think the initial reaction here is the focus on green energy, a failure both in energy conversion and economic impact, and the impression that this is simply another Obama administration burning of tax dollars on green voodoo.
    Greetings, CJ!

    We need thousands of miles of trenches dug to get our grid underground for our safety. Why can't people be put to work doing that? They don't need to necessarily use shovels for everything - there are trenchers made for that purpose. People can b taught to use them. Solar is good for people who live in areas that get sufficient sun to justify the cost - we don't, as I learned to my chagrin when I investigated using solar here in NE Ohio! What are we supposed to do?

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    Re: White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    That is the basic element of the management job description. Do you think this is bad for some reason? Wouldn't you want a business that you deal with to be successful and protect its success?
    Clearly, somebody's got selective reading comprehension skills.

    Protect its success can mean lots of things. Sometimes that "protection" can get dirty and underhanded. I don't mind guerrilla marketing techniques being unleashed. I do, however, have a problem with purposeful crowding out any and all competition within a specific industry. This is why AT&T was broken up years ago. The benefit was the smaller regional telephone companies that came up later and eventually became the cellphone, Internet Service Providers and cable companies we have today all with government assistance because the big boy(s) initially wouldn't let the little guys play.
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    Re: White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, CJ!

    We need thousands of miles of trenches dug to get our grid underground for our safety. Why can't people be put to work doing that? They don't need to necessarily use shovels for everything - there are trenchers made for that purpose. People can b taught to use them. Solar is good for people who live in areas that get sufficient sun to justify the cost - we don't, as I learned to my chagrin when I investigated using solar here in NE Ohio! What are we supposed to do?
    Good evening Lady P - hope all is well.

    You make a good point - when the Obama stimulus was enacted (the ARRA) back in early 2009, that was supposed to be chock full of infrastructure dollars to put people to work immediately on "shovel ready" projects - problem was, there didn't seem to be any shovel ready projects and there were a myriad of regulatory and environmental hoops to jump through for most projects to qualify. Considering that a large number of veterans were starting to come back from Afghanistan and Iraq, many with skills in building roads, trenches, etc. in those war zones, wouldn't that have been a great match of skilled labour and national need?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good evening Lady P - hope all is well.

    You make a good point - when the Obama stimulus was enacted (the ARRA) back in early 2009, that was supposed to be chock full of infrastructure dollars to put people to work immediately on "shovel ready" projects - problem was, there didn't seem to be any shovel ready projects and there were a myriad of regulatory and environmental hoops to jump through for most projects to qualify. Considering that a large number of veterans were starting to come back from Afghanistan and Iraq, many with skills in building roads, trenches, etc. in those war zones, wouldn't that have been a great match of skilled labour and national need?
    Yes, putting veterans to work on fixing our country's problems made good sense, but I guess the administration was too busy trying to get the ACA enacted to worry about our infrastructure! According to polls over the years, the public didn't like it then, and they still don't like it! Go figure!

    Since most of us don't live "off the grid," we're going to be in a world of hurt when the entire grid is not functioning. How many millions of dollars were lost in the Great Blackout of the Northeast in 2003? I remember sweltering in the heat in NE Ohio because the A/C wasn't working - what's it going to be like if every part of the country is affected? Running generators is fine if you have the fuel for them, but most gas stations weren't functioning, either, and eventually you do need to replenish a fuel supply! I can't imagine living in a Southern State in the Summer with no means of keeping cool - Hell on earth seems appropriate!.

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    Re: White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Funny all the IBEW workers I knew including my dad,that worked for a telephone company, put in 40 plus hours a week for 21 years after getting out of the military. But then you do make false claims on here on a regular basis with no links.


    They're running their radio promo's down here in Houston.

    In a right to work State no less. Man they're as desperate as they're dishonest.

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    Re: White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Oh Yeah.

    One which has been motivated to move off shore to get better labor rates because mandated US labor rates aren't competitive.
    One that is now being motivated to move off shore by increasing, and soon to be ever more, electrical costs (thanks Greenies and EPA).

    This plan is just so much of this president's idiotic 'green technology' policy and idiotic energy policy, and isn't going to amount to much, if anything at all.

    Coal plants produce the largest part of the base load electricity. Due to EPA regulations, they now have to expend huge sums of money to meet the ever more stringent, and some would say needlessly excessive, emissions standards. Where's that money going to be coming from?

    It'll be coming Families and businesses in the form of higher electrical bills, as well as in the form of ever higher prices for goods and services.

    Hike the price of electricity, business, and manufacturing in particular, are going to take a huge hit. While LED light bulbs purchased by families do save a bunch, the electrical motors needed by business and especially manufacturing are about as efficient as possible already. There are no magic bullet savings to be had there.

    Nuclear isn't going to happen. Coal is going to be cost prohibitive pretty soon with all the regulation heaped on them by the activist EPA. Many coal plants are switching over to burn NG, as there is a surplus of that fuel.

    The same ecomentalists-nut-jobs applauding this foolish and ideologically based and pointless jobs program are looking to ban fracking for all the wrong reasons. So there goes yet another possible electrical generation fuel source.

    I've pretty much had it with these groups. If they want to cut off all the electricity by making it too expensive, let them be the first to live without any, and then see what they've got to say.

    Anyone who supports bans on fracking, let them live without natural gas and then see what they've got to say.

    How can any sane person consider it forward progress for society by pricing electricity and energy to the pain point? Robbing families via this mechanism?

    Affordable electricity was deemed so important the US engaged in the Rural Electrification Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, now, it seems, the government is going to engage in the US deelectrification program, or perhaps the 'fleecing of the people through energy costs' program.

    Excellent Post if I may say so.

    Those advocating this Solar nonsense should look towards Germany if they want to have some realistic outlook on how its going to effect the average consumer

    Upwards of 800 thousand and climbing Germans have been priced completely out of the electricity market a d are going without thanks to this green energy idiocy.

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