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    Re: White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    In my life time I've been a member of the Teamsters, Longshoremens ILWU and IBEW.

    As a longshoremen I could say we worked part time but got paid for full time.
    Then I don't get what your problem is with this. Are you being obtuse just to be obtuse? Or are you just one of those people who will oppose anything this President presents as a viable solution/initiative to create jobs and spur economic growth and development just because?

    The crazy thing is you would deny others that same economic prosperity you acknowledge you've experienced. That's so wrong-headed.
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    Re: White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    How do you know they don't exist?
    I'll let you decide. It is a 7 billion per year industry (the size of the NFL) with 69,000 employees everywhere in the industry. That includes not only installers but people in manufacturing, sales, management etc. etc. The industry grew 14% last year. How long will it take before the industry needs 50,000 more employees of all types, let alone installers? It took me 5 minutes and common sense to discover than the plan is a waste of money. Since we assume that people in the government can do the same thing, it is a political move, not anything related to creating jobs.

    We spend a lot more money giving it away to foreign countries like Israel. Why not pump it into the economy here? It's not like it's flushed down the toilet like it is in Iraq or Afghanistan.
    You are assuming that I approve of foreign aid. I can't imagine why.

    Would you have been against the CCC during the Great Depression too?
    Without question. Not the role of government and it did nothing to spur the economy.

    Btw I will be running all my utilities on solar and wind in the near future much to the chagrine of my power company. And it does take some serious electrical skills to pull it off safely and correctly. Fortunately I get help from a family member that has those skills and knowledge.
    One less solar panel installer required. Now we can train 49,999 of them.

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    Re: White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    In my life time I've been a member of the Teamsters, Longshoremens ILWU and IBEW.

    As a longshoremen I could say we worked part time but got paid for full time.
    I understand what you are getting at, and believe me, I don't like the Union blueprint anymore than anyone else, but as a vet that got out after thinking that I was getting some kind of training in the Army, only to be told that my military training didn't transfer into civilian qualification for the job, I think that as long as there is demand for the electricians in the solar industry to employ these people then I am all for it....They gave to this country by volunteering, and one of the good things we can do to say thanks is to train them and get them working on the outside....

    There are many things that this administration wastes money on, training our vets, and getting them working, is not one of them.
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    Re: White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    You know, I find it very interesting that the people who scream the loudest about how bad the country needs jobs are also the same people who complain when any initiative is fostered to spur job growth.

    I get that such people don't like unions, but unless other industries are willing to move forward with initiatives to create new jobs especially where opening up new industries is concerned, I don't have a problem with the government taking the lead in partnership with unions to train our veterans in growth industries at good pay.
    It looks like we need more schooling again. Businesses don't create jobs because the population needs more of them. In fact their goal is to operate profitably with as few people as possible. They create jobs when they need more people to operate profitably. In other words, they create jobs when there is business growth. If you want jobs, you want business growth. Training people for non existent jobs doesn't affect business growth. Apacherat is correct if he sees the political nonsense in this program. It is a program designed to appeal to voters who don't see through it. It has nothing at all to do with the health or future of the economy.

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    Re: White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install solar panels

    I can not say how much I love this program! Job training, new jobs, and green energy! This is a great program, and I cannot think why anyone ccouldbe against this!

    50,000?


    Since when was there a demand for 50,000 jobs in the solar panel industry? I missed that.

    Oh, wait....

    Announcement in September, election in early November.....I get it. that reads as a possible 100,000 plus votes if you consider the ones that think they will be soon getting a job, and their wives and family.

    Cute. It's how leftis politicians in Canada have been buying votes for a century now. Obama is catching on.
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    Re: White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Another government program that will probably end up costing far, FAR more then it ever saves.
    You know about a government program that saves money?

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    Re: White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Veterans need jobs. Should we train them to be coal miners instead?
    Why not, we have a lot more use for coal miners. Seriously, at least find something we need to train them on if we're going to spend federal dollars.

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    Re: White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    It looks like we need more schooling again. Businesses don't create jobs because the population needs more of them. In fact their goal is to operate profitably with as few people as possible. They create jobs when they need more people to operate profitably. In other words, they create jobs when there is business growth. If you want jobs, you want business growth. Training people for non existent jobs doesn't affect business growth. Apacherat is correct if he sees the political nonsense in this program. It is a program designed to appeal to voters who don't see through it. It has nothing at all to do with the health or future of the economy.
    Exactly why I phrased my post the way I did.

    As we learned from the Great Recession, the commercial banking industry proved once again that certain industries are as territorial as they are predatory. They'll only create "spin-offs" into new industries when it serves their best interest - their bottom line...profits. Until then, they'll do everything in their power to either protect their market share or prevent any other industry from infringing on the "choice and competition" that already exists. It's why big oil and coal have fought against solar energy, why diesel fuel hasn't replaced petro fuel or why gas companies fought so hard against the electric car opting instead to accept hybrids.

    When industries won't allow new technology to encroach on their market share, the only way new industries can make end-roads is to be supplement by government. Now, did the Obama Administration "chock-out" big oil during the BP Gulf Oil spill? No, but they certainly slowed things down alittle. Has the Obama Administration stifled the coal industry? Not really. They'll simply shift to foreign markets leaving more low-cost energy sources to be fostered here in the U.S. which should make energy cheaper and safer and more abundant.

    Like all "creatures," animals are protective of their territory. Big business is no different.
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    Re: White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post

    Like all "creatures," animals are protective of their territory. Big business is no different.
    That is the basic element of the management job description. Do you think this is bad for some reason? Wouldn't you want a business that you deal with to be successful and protect its success?

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    Re: White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I understand what you are getting at, and believe me, I don't like the Union blueprint anymore than anyone else, but as a vet that got out after thinking that I was getting some kind of training in the Army, only to be told that my military training didn't transfer into civilian qualification for the job, I think that as long as there is demand for the electricians in the solar industry to employ these people then I am all for it....They gave to this country by volunteering, and one of the good things we can do to say thanks is to train them and get them working on the outside....

    There are many things that this administration wastes money on, training our vets, and getting them working, is not one of them.

    I was unaware that there was a demand for electricians. And installing solar panels is more of apprenticeship level.


    The IBEW use to have an excellent apprenticeship program, some locals still do while many are just fast tracking people through the program because the actual agenda is to increase union membership which means more political contributions for the Democrats.

    With the current administration in the White House I'm very suspicious of any thing related to renewable energy that Obama is involved in. How many billions have already been flushed down the stink hole ?

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