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White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install sol

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fmw said:
That is the basic element of the management job description. Do you think this is bad for some reason? Wouldn't you want a business that you deal with to be successful and protect its success?
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Clearly, somebody's got selective reading comprehension skills.

Protect its success can mean lots of things. Sometimes that "protection" can get dirty and underhanded. I don't mind guerrilla marketing techniques being unleashed. I do, however, have a problem with purposeful crowding out any and all competition within a specific industry. This is why AT&T was broken up years ago. The benefit was the smaller regional telephone companies that came up later and eventually became the cellphone, Internet Service Providers and cable companies we have today all with government assistance because the big boy(s) initially wouldn't let the little guys play.
 
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polgara said:
Greetings, CJ! :2wave:

We need thousands of miles of trenches dug to get our grid underground for our safety. Why can't people be put to work doing that? They don't need to necessarily use shovels for everything - there are trenchers made for that purpose. People can b taught to use them. Solar is good for people who live in areas that get sufficient sun to justify the cost - we don't, as I learned to my chagrin when I investigated using solar here in NE Ohio! What are we supposed to do?
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Good evening Lady P - hope all is well.

You make a good point - when the Obama stimulus was enacted (the ARRA) back in early 2009, that was supposed to be chock full of infrastructure dollars to put people to work immediately on "shovel ready" projects - problem was, there didn't seem to be any shovel ready projects and there were a myriad of regulatory and environmental hoops to jump through for most projects to qualify. Considering that a large number of veterans were starting to come back from Afghanistan and Iraq, many with skills in building roads, trenches, etc. in those war zones, wouldn't that have been a great match of skilled labour and national need?
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Good evening Lady P - hope all is well.

You make a good point - when the Obama stimulus was enacted (the ARRA) back in early 2009, that was supposed to be chock full of infrastructure dollars to put people to work immediately on "shovel ready" projects - problem was, there didn't seem to be any shovel ready projects and there were a myriad of regulatory and environmental hoops to jump through for most projects to qualify. Considering that a large number of veterans were starting to come back from Afghanistan and Iraq, many with skills in building roads, trenches, etc. in those war zones, wouldn't that have been a great match of skilled labour and national need?
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Yes, putting veterans to work on fixing our country's problems made good sense, but I guess the administration was too busy trying to get the ACA enacted to worry about our infrastructure! According to polls over the years, the public didn't like it then, and they still don't like it! Go figure!

Since most of us don't live "off the grid," we're going to be in a world of hurt when the entire grid is not functioning. How many millions of dollars were lost in the Great Blackout of the Northeast in 2003? I remember sweltering in the heat in NE Ohio because the A/C wasn't working - what's it going to be like if every part of the country is affected? Running generators is fine if you have the fuel for them, but most gas stations weren't functioning, either, and eventually you do need to replenish a fuel supply! I can't imagine living in a Southern State in the Summer with no means of keeping cool - Hell on earth seems appropriate!.
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
Funny all the IBEW workers I knew including my dad,that worked for a telephone company, put in 40 plus hours a week for 21 years after getting out of the military. But then you do make false claims on here on a regular basis with no links.
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They're running their radio promo's down here in Houston.

In a right to work State no less. Man they're as desperate as they're dishonest.
 
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eohrnberger said:
Oh Yeah.

One which has been motivated to move off shore to get better labor rates because mandated US labor rates aren't competitive.
One that is now being motivated to move off shore by increasing, and soon to be ever more, electrical costs (thanks Greenies and EPA).

This plan is just so much of this president's idiotic 'green technology' policy and idiotic energy policy, and isn't going to amount to much, if anything at all.

Coal plants produce the largest part of the base load electricity. Due to EPA regulations, they now have to expend huge sums of money to meet the ever more stringent, and some would say needlessly excessive, emissions standards. Where's that money going to be coming from?

It'll be coming Families and businesses in the form of higher electrical bills, as well as in the form of ever higher prices for goods and services.

Hike the price of electricity, business, and manufacturing in particular, are going to take a huge hit. While LED light bulbs purchased by families do save a bunch, the electrical motors needed by business and especially manufacturing are about as efficient as possible already. There are no magic bullet savings to be had there.

Nuclear isn't going to happen. Coal is going to be cost prohibitive pretty soon with all the regulation heaped on them by the activist EPA. Many coal plants are switching over to burn NG, as there is a surplus of that fuel.

The same ecomentalists-nut-jobs applauding this foolish and ideologically based and pointless jobs program are looking to ban fracking for all the wrong reasons. So there goes yet another possible electrical generation fuel source.

I've pretty much had it with these groups. If they want to cut off all the electricity by making it too expensive, let them be the first to live without any, and then see what they've got to say.

Anyone who supports bans on fracking, let them live without natural gas and then see what they've got to say.

How can any sane person consider it forward progress for society by pricing electricity and energy to the pain point? Robbing families via this mechanism?

Affordable electricity was deemed so important the US engaged in the Rural Electrification Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, now, it seems, the government is going to engage in the US deelectrification program, or perhaps the 'fleecing of the people through energy costs' program.
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Excellent Post if I may say so.

Those advocating this Solar nonsense should look towards Germany if they want to have some realistic outlook on how its going to effect the average consumer

Upwards of 800 thousand and climbing Germans have been priced completely out of the electricity market a d are going without thanks to this green energy idiocy.
 
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Fenton said:
Excellent Post if I may say so.

Those advocating this Solar nonsense should look towards Germany if they want to have some realistic outlook on how its going to effect the average consumer

Upwards of 800 thousand and climbing Germans have been priced completely out of the electricity market a d are going without thanks to this green energy idiocy.
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I hadn't thought about Germany's experience with the solar idiocy. Why is it that the Ecomentalists and Obamaphiles are willing to repeat a known failing path? Seems a case of repeating serious stupidity to me.
 
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Fenton said:
Excellent Post if I may say so.

Those advocating this Solar nonsense should look towards Germany if they want to have some realistic outlook on how its going to effect the average consumer

Upwards of 800 thousand and climbing Germans have been priced completely out of the electricity market a d are going without thanks to this green energy idiocy.
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You don't have to look as far as Germany - just look north to Ontario, Canada, where our idiotic government has gone full in on solar and wind power, plastering giant wind monstrosities where nobody wants them, paying exorbitant rates to those willing to foul their land with the things, increasing our electricity rates by double and triple with increases projected out for years, mothballing all coal plants claiming that solar and wind will replace that production yet having to build new gas fired plants all over the place because solar and wind aren't reliable, selling off excess power at a loss to neighbouring jurisdictions because of commitments to pay for solar and wind first even if it's not needed, and driving manufacturing out of the province because electricity rates are no long competitive in a province where electricity rates were always an asset.

It is absolute lunacy.
 
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fmw said:
Does the solar panel industry need 50,000 more installers? Did anybody check?
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Yes, really. Where is the demand for this? Or is the government going to just blow our money on this, without anyone willing to buy it?
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
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:applaud:applaud I can not say how much I love this program! Job training, new jobs, and green energy! :mrgreen: This is a great program, and I cannot think why anyone ccouldbe against this!
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Upon further review, this seems to be another Obama made disaster.
 
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Anthony60 said:
Yes, really. Where is the demand for this? Or is the government going to just blow our money on this, without anyone willing to buy it?
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My guess is that they are catering to the base and influencing 50,000 voters. The white house does nothing without a political agenda. Obviously, there is no business reason for this program.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
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[h=1]White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install solar panels[/h]
:applaud:applaud I can not say how much I love this program! Job training, new jobs, and green energy! :mrgreen: This is a great program, and I cannot think why anyone ccouldbe against this!
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I don't know, but it seems like every time the government gets involved, the price for energy goes up. It is almost like the government loves to sock it to the little people. Make them pay more for gas, pay more for cars with all the EPA stuff, remove cheap coal from power plants to make us pay more for electricity, and on and on.

Perhaps the government should let the market rule, supply and demand. I haven't the faintest idea what the demand for solar panels is, probably not too high here in the states as I read about Solendra and a couple of other producers going bankrupt and out of business. I think if there was a demand for them, private companies would be making them. But then the government can always to what it does, make it mandatory to buy solar panels to create the demand at triple or more of the cost of regular energy sources.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
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[h=1]White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install solar panels[/h]
:applaud:applaud I can not say how much I love this program! Job training, new jobs, and green energy! :mrgreen: This is a great program, and I cannot think why anyone ccouldbe against this!
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You hit the nail on the head. How could anybody possibly be against the government picking winners and losers in private business? I can't think of a single Solyndra...er, I of course mean, solitary reason why anyone would possibly object to this plan.
 
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Perotista said:
I don't know, but it seems like every time the government gets involved, the price for energy goes up. It is almost like the government loves to sock it to the little people. Make them pay more for gas, pay more for cars with all the EPA stuff, remove cheap coal from power plants to make us pay more for electricity, and on and on.

Perhaps the government should let the market rule, supply and demand. I haven't the faintest idea what the demand for solar panels is, probably not too high here in the states as I read about Solendra and a couple of other producers going bankrupt and out of business. I think if there was a demand for them, private companies would be making them. But then the government can always to what it does, make it mandatory to buy solar panels to create the demand at triple or more of the cost of regular energy sources.
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Yes, if we wanted solar panels, we would demand them. We certainly don't need the government getting involved and training people, putting our money into these companies, and then having them fail and lose our money because there is no demand! I just can't believe they are pulling this crap again. I DON'T WANT THE GOVERNMENT INVESTING MY TAX DOLLARS IN SOLAR PANELS!

One, they don't know what the hell they are doing, and two, they already tried and failed. So what, they are doing the same thing again? I know Obama is an idiot, but jeez.
 
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Anthony60 said:
Yes, if we wanted solar panels, we would demand them. We certainly don't need the government getting involved and training people, putting our money into these companies, and then having them fail and lose our money because there is no demand! I just can't believe they are pulling this crap again. I DON'T WANT THE GOVERNMENT INVESTING MY TAX DOLLARS IN SOLAR PANELS!

One, they don't know what the hell they are doing, and two, they already tried and failed. So what, they are doing the same thing again? I know Obama is an idiot, but jeez.
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If the government is good at one thing, it's doubling down on failure. Solar panels are so far from an isolated example of this phenomenon that it's truly sad.
 
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Anthony60 said:
Yes, if we wanted solar panels, we would demand them. We certainly don't need the government getting involved and training people, putting our money into these companies, and then having them fail and lose our money because there is no demand! I just can't believe they are pulling this crap again. I DON'T WANT THE GOVERNMENT INVESTING MY TAX DOLLARS IN SOLAR PANELS!

One, they don't know what the hell they are doing, and two, they already tried and failed. So what, they are doing the same thing again? I know Obama is an idiot, but jeez.
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I think you misunderstand. You think government is in the business of addressing the common good. It, however, thinks it is in the business of maintaining power and control. You and government aren't on the same page. This is a political program. Nothing common sensical about it.
 
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LagerHead said:
You hit the nail on the head. How could anybody possibly be against the government picking winners and losers in private business? I can't think of a single Solyndra...er, I of course mean, solitary reason why anyone would possibly object to this plan.
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Of course we've been picking winners and losers in the power area for decades. The most obvious recent example is the XL pipeline - we gave a foreign company condemnation powers to build a pipeline across the entire U.S. (once it's approved, and it will be IMO). If you support Keystone XL, you support picking winners and losers.

Also, too, how many $trillions have we spend mucking around in the ME because of the vast oil deposits there? Several trillions.... 2,000 failed Solyndras is $1 trillion. How much do Americans spend on spend on healthcare costs related to fossil fuel pollution? Estimates vary but $300B to $1,000B per year, or another 600-2,000 failed Solyndras, per year.

Etc.
 
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j-mac said:
Well, I guess I should have known you back then...Ah well. I still don't think it is a bad idea...
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Agreed.
 
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I like the gratuitous "including veterans" in the PBS headline. I wouldn't assume they would be excluded....
 
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Cardinal said:
You forgot "filling potholes" and "building community libraries." I associate all of these things together with a totalitarian police state.
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Buy an atoll.
 
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upsideguy said:
Buy an atoll.
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That or one of those "Libertarian Paradises" constructed from old oil rigs.
 
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Stupid idea...when will big gov lovers learn?

If the demand for this was there, the gov wouldn't need to do this.

Since they do, that proves the demand is not there.

Result...huge waste of taxpayers money.


Imo, this is just a mid-term election (expensive) stunt.
 
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JasperL said:
Of course we've been picking winners and losers in the power area for decades. The most obvious recent example is the XL pipeline - we gave a foreign company condemnation powers to build a pipeline across the entire U.S. (once it's approved, and it will be IMO). If you support Keystone XL, you support picking winners and losers.

Also, too, how many $trillions have we spend mucking around in the ME because of the vast oil deposits there? Several trillions.... 2,000 failed Solyndras is $1 trillion. How much do Americans spend on spend on healthcare costs related to fossil fuel pollution? Estimates vary but $300B to $1,000B per year, or another 600-2,000 failed Solyndras, per year.

Etc.
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I don't support the government picking winners and losers, period. The NEA is but a pittance in the amount the government spends every year doing so, but it's a perfectly valid example.
 
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White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install solar panels
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sounds good. beats spending tax dollars on endless war.
 
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LagerHead said:
I don't support the government picking winners and losers, period. The NEA is but a pittance in the amount the government spends every year doing so, but it's a perfectly valid example.
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Whether you support it or not, we ARE subsidizing oil and gas by $10s or hundreds of $billions per year, every year, and have for many decades. So either need to raise gas taxes by a huge amount to cover the direct and indirect oil subsidies, or solar is operating at a huge competitive disadvantage to heavily subsidized oil and gas.
 
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