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    Re: White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install

    Meanwhile, nuclear energy is still being stonewalled and the Keystone Pipeline is waiting to be built.
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    Re: White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install

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    i support most upgrades to the electrical grid, public or private.
    Well, I support common sense, cost effective upgrades to the grid, not upgrades for political purposes.
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    Re: White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    By itself that's a fair point, but it is also a fair question to ask where the demand is for so many trained installers. Ok, so we train all these people to install solar panel... then what? Unless the government is going to purchase and supply solar panels to random people, who will be paying for them and where will they be installed?
    I agree with you there. That's why I think our housing/construction industry needs to look at including solar panels as an energy efficiency option in new home construction. Or you could take the broader approach and make them a standard household construction items similar to bath tubs, toilets, hot water tanks and furnaces. If an option, the home buyer could choose what size solar panel he/she want to have installed. If standard, I'd assume some kind of energy efficiency rate would have to be developed for the size of the home (i.e., 2, 3, 4 bedroom or by square footage) and offer standard sizes for each.

    The way I see it neither BIG oil or the coal industries will ever willingly give up their market share if they can help it. The whaling industry fought tooth and nail not to allow another form of heating oil to enter their market. Same holds true with the oil industry (for private transportation) and coal (for electricity). The solar panel industry is just going to have to get smarter on how they sell themselves to the general public as a cost effective energy alternative for residential and commercial property. I can accept the government playing a role in that marketing plan in solar energy's infancy. But once they become big boys those tax subsidies will have to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    Meanwhile, nuclear energy is still being stonewalled and the Keystone Pipeline is waiting to be built.
    We still haven't found a cost effective means to dispose of nuclear waste. Heck, we still haven't fully adopted measures to recycle it on-site. As to the Keystone XL Pipeline, I'm still 50/50 about it for two reasons:

    1) Number of jobs it claims to create.

    2) Amount of revenue the U.S. would receive.

    I think much of the environmental issues have been resolved although that still concerns me given the low water levels in the surrounding areas, but the two issues listed above are now the biggest hurtles. I just don't see the long-term benefit from this project when we already have other alternatives that are "Made in America".
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    Re: White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I agree with you there. That's why I think our housing/construction industry needs to look at including solar panels as an energy efficiency option in new home construction. Or you could take the broader approach and make them a standard household construction items similar to bath tubs, toilets, hot water tanks and furnaces. If an option, the home buyer could choose what size solar panel he/she want to have installed. If standard, I'd assume some kind of energy efficiency rate would have to be developed for the size of the home (i.e., 2, 3, 4 bedroom or by square footage) and offer standard sizes for each.
    This goes against my normal mindset, but if we had made solar mandatory for all new residential and commercial rooftops back during the 1973 energy crises, we would be so far ahead of the game today.


    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    The way I see it neither BIG oil or the coal industries will ever willingly give up their market share if they can help it. The whaling industry fought tooth and nail not to allow another form of heating oil to enter their market. Same holds true with the oil industry (for private transportation) and coal (for electricity). The solar panel industry is just going to have to get smarter on how they sell themselves to the general public as a cost effective energy alternative for residential and commercial property. I can accept the government playing a role in that marketing plan in solar energy's infancy. But once they become big boys those tax subsidies will have to go.
    I have never understood why the oil and coal companies don't buy the solar companies and develop it themselves... and make all the money from that, as well.
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    Re: White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    This goes against my normal mindset, but if we had made solar mandatory for all new residential and commercial rooftops back during the 1973 energy crises, we would be so far ahead of the game today.



    I have never understood why the oil and coal companies don't buy the solar companies and develop it themselves... and make all the money from that, as well.

    Because its not a viable technology.

    Not now or in 1973.

    And the sheer amount of solar panel acreage needed to provide enough electricity for ONE office building with TODAY'S Technology makes solar not only a very expensive " solution " but a impractical solution.
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    Re: White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Because its not a viable technology.

    Not now or in 1973.

    And the sheer amount of solar panel acreage needed to provide enough electricity for ONE office building with TODAY'S Technology makes solar not only a very expensive " solution " but a impractical solution.
    But not so much for residential homes even as a hybrid energy source. You could spin that off easily enough even if all the solar panel powers are used for it to power your hot water tank and/or your electric dryer. Of course, that makes sense if you're using at least one of this appliances on a near 24/7 basis, but if we're talking residual energy then long-term storage measures (batteries) will have to be developed. Moreover, the major residential energy power players will have to decide on ways to compensate homeowners in terms of recycled energy back into the energy supply chain. Otherwise, the biggest benefit to the consumer is simply the lower cost of electricity to their home.
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    Re: White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    But not so much for residential homes even as a hybrid energy source. You could spin that off easily enough even if all the solar panel powers are used for it to power your hot water tank and/or your electric dryer. Of course, that makes sense if you're using at least one of this appliances on a near 24/7 basis, but if we're talking residual energy then long-term storage measures (batteries) will have to be developed. Moreover, the major residential energy power players will have to decide on ways to compensate homeowners in terms of recycled energy back into the energy supply chain. Otherwise, the biggest benefit to the consumer is simply the lower cost of electricity to their home.
    First, you have to pay for all that " free electricity " via the huge loan you just took out to have it installed

    Typically financed over 15 year. Whole home systems guarantee a utility bill that NOW comes woth a interest rate.
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    Re: White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    First, you have to pay for all that " free electricity " via the huge loan you just took out to have it installed

    Typically financed over 15 year. Whole home systems guarantee a utility bill that NOW comes woth a interest rate.
    Who said anything about electricity being free? I certainly did not nor did I imply it. As to financing the solar panel and the cost of installation, if you've financing a new home wouldn't it stand to reason that those costs would be wrapped into the home loan? I mean, if solar panels becomes an appliance that's part of standard home construction, the cost would be part of the overall construction costs. So, I really don't see your objection here. It'll be no different than paying for your A/C unit or your kitchen sink which are wrapped into your home loan.
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    Re: White House announces plan to train 50,000 people, including veterans, to install

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