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    Re: Scotland Rejects Independence From Britain in a Close Vote

    This was just a test run. Now, the real momentum builds and scrutiny begins in earnest.

    This idea is fermenting in multiple place across the globe. Governments had better start listening to its people, or else.

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    Re: Scotland Rejects Independence From Britain in a Close Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Governments had better start listening to its people, or else.
    or else... what?

    We'll hold a democratic referendum to decide on independence... or did you have that glorious patriotic revolution kicking around in your mind?

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    Re: Scotland Rejects Independence From Britain in a Close Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    or else... what?

    We'll hold a democratic referendum to decide on independence... or did you have that glorious patriotic revolution kicking around in your mind?

    Didn't you get the memo? The South is gonna rise again!


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Re: Scotland Rejects Independence From Britain in a Close Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Nor do they need the opinions of UKIP or BNP which are just British antisemitic drunks. But Gibson is Irish-American.





    So Scotland is free to print their own money, drill their own oil and a dozen other things I can name off the top of my head.. that it couldn't do before? So Scotland is only as free as free as the UK allows.
    Scotland DOES print it's own money.

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sc...hp%3B332%3B180

    The oil centres are Aberdeen, Orkney, and Shetland. Nigg Bay for rig parking and repair. All in Scotland.

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    Re: Scotland Rejects Independence From Britain in a Close Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Scotland DOES print it's own money.

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sc...hp%3B332%3B180

    The oil centres are Aberdeen, Orkney, and Shetland. Nigg Bay for rig parking and repair. All in Scotland.

    Lol
    Are you that daft?

    Scotland prints the Sterling, which is the British pound. There is no Scottish pound.

    Oil fields and production are there but Scotland itself can't issue permits, rather it's the UK Government that does that. But hey, you know it all.
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    Re: Scotland Rejects Independence From Britain in a Close Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Tonic View Post
    Actually Scottish banks do print their own money, something other UK banks do not. On the monetary point; that was a major feature of the debate and as far as I understood they planned/wanted to retain monetary union even after independence.
    Actually no. You are confusing a few things. 3 Scottish banks issue their own private banknote. These notes are NOT legal tender but rather Promissory note which is accepted in Scotland. You can't take those Scottish promissory notes and use them in other parts of the UK nor on the international market.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: Scotland Rejects Independence From Britain in a Close Vote

    Democratic Referendum my (&^*U^.

    It is a matter for the Scottish people, the Scottish people alone must make this decision...bla bla feckin bla.

    I've never seen such a pointless undemocratic waste of time. We have no idea what the majority want, because as usual Westminster changed the goalposts.

    The questions set on the ballot paper were agreed and the "red line" issue for the Conservative Government was that the Devo Max option must be removed from the ballot paper. That was done, it was removed.

    Come the Referendum however, it was leaning to a Yes vote.

    So a week before the vote, the Westminster trio came haring up to Scotland and after much squawking, they completely ignored the agreed parameters of the Referendum and did what?

    They put Devo Max back on the table.

    Because that is the only way they could stop the Scottish people from making a democratic vote on the Yes/No questions everyone had agreed in cast iron and upon which both sides had based the campaigns.

    Dirty, cheating, dissembling, lying *&^&&^&&&s

    We still have no idea what the majority want. The No vote definitely contains a proportion of people voting for Devo Max when it was put back on the table in the last few days before the Referendum. Therefore, the No vote is split between people who did actually vote No...and those who were voting Devo Max.

    We are told the Devo Maxers swung the vote.

    Now....after what we all went through, what detritus are we stuck with?

    The Devo Maxers were not the majority. Probably the smallest block of voters.

    But everyone gets what the smallest block wanted. Devo stupid Max.

    Well done Westminster. It is no surprise. After all, you changed the goalposts last time we voted for independence with a Yes majority. And you changed them again this time.

    Fear not, we will take Devo Max and continue gradualist policy until even global corp (you know, those who threatened and said "If you go independent, we are taking our business to England and you will all starve in the street) are dragged in by improved investment opportunities ....and don't care when we eventually say we are independent.

    And as for all of you other types posting here, who will say freedom is what you and your country stand for...I know better. Not one of you supported democracy in this case.
    Last edited by Viv; 09-24-14 at 03:26 PM.

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    Re: Scotland Rejects Independence From Britain in a Close Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    Democratic Referendum my (&^*U^.

    It is a matter for the Scottish people, the Scottish people alone must make this decision...bla bla feckin bla.

    I've never seen such a pointless undemocratic waste of time. We have no idea what the majority want, because as usual Westminster changed the goalposts.

    The questions set on the ballot paper were agreed and the "red line" issue for the Conservative Government was that the Devo Max option must be removed from the ballot paper. That was done, it was removed.

    Come the Referendum however, it was leaning to a Yes vote.

    So a week before the vote, the Westminster trio came haring up to Scotland and after much squawking, they completely ignored the agreed parameters of the Referendum and did what?

    They put Devo Max back on the table.

    Because that is the only way they could stop the Scottish people from making a democratic vote on the Yes/No questions everyone had agreed in cast iron and upon which both sides had based the campaigns.

    Dirty, cheating, dissembling, lying *&^&&^&&&s

    We still have no idea what the majority want. The No vote definitely contains a proportion of people voting for Devo Max when it was put back on the table in the last few days before the Referendum. Therefore, the No vote is split between people who did actually vote No...and those who were voting Devo Max.

    We are told the Devo Maxers swung the vote.

    Now....after what we all went through, what detritus are we stuck with?

    The Devo Maxers were not the majority. Probably the smallest block of voters.

    But everyone gets what the smallest block wanted. Devo stupid Max.

    Well done Westminster. It is no surprise. After all, you changed the goalposts last time we voted for independence with a Yes majority. And you changed them again this time.

    Fear not, we will take Devo Max and continue gradualist policy until even global corp (you know, those who threatened and said "If you go independent, we are taking our business to England and you will all starve in the street) are dragged in by improved investment opportunities ....and don't care when we eventually say we are independent.

    And as for all of you other types posting here, who will say freedom is what you and your country stand for...I know better. Not one of you supported democracy in this case.
    Or....

    1) The polls were always correct and the No vote was always going to win.

    2) Social attitudes surveys point out that Scottish people feel equally Scottish and British, a higher number feeling this way than any time before.

    3) Regarding Devo Max, Professor Curtice of Strathclyde University claims that the heads of Parliament didn't change people's opinion of Devolution or of their position on the referendum but they did feel Scotland would gain more powers.

    So basically, a democratic process was held, a high proportion of people expressed their opinion freely and fairly and you are unhappy about their decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Or....

    1) The polls were always correct and the No vote was always going to win.
    In your and the biased opinion of all UK media only. They were not always at No and no Devo Max was available until your buffoon of a PM bottled it and put it back onto the agenda, where it should always have been but wasn't....until the polls showed Yes in the lead. At which point the polls showed the actual swing of the Devo Max voters as THE game changer.

    I see that twittery is ok with you, but it is double dealing or simply...cheating. No surprise coming from that shower of wasters.

    2) Social attitudes surveys point out that Scottish people feel equally Scottish and British, a higher number feeling this way than any time before.
    You missed the bit where natcen was discredited. Repeatedly.

    3) Regarding Devo Max, Professor Curtice of Strathclyde University claims that the heads of Parliament didn't change people's opinion of Devolution or of their position on the referendum but they did feel Scotland would gain more powers.
    God love him, he would say anything to get his strange visage on the news. His wavering unfactual opinion means less than yours.

    So basically, a democratic process was held, a high proportion of people expressed their opinion freely and fairly and you are unhappy about their decision.
    No, basically the democratic process was derailed by people who think they got away with it. I am happy to follow democratic process. I am not happy to see democracy made a total fool of. And neither should you be. How many times did you hear that patronising statement "this is a decision for the Scottish people alone"? And how fast did you see that trampled into the ground when it didn't go how they expected...

    I am not unhappy, by the way. I am effing incandescent. And I am far from unique.

    You will recall the continual assertions in the media and by the gleesome threesome, that the oil in our waters is running out and could not be used in the economic debate. You will remember the rubbishing of those who said otherwise (despite the fact that Salmond was an oil economist to trade and understands the industry as well as anyone and certainly better than any of those tools south of the border).

    Feast your gullible eyes on this then...published within days of all these assertions of no oil and unlikely to stem from new research which commenced only 5 days ago...

    Technology boost for Scotland's oil reserves in North Sea


    New gas and water technologies could add decades to the lifespan of oil reserves in the North Sea, according to Edinburgh researchers.
    A Heriot-Watt University team said they had made a breakthrough in developing clean and cheap methods to maximise extraction from existing fields.
    The university has been working on a technique known as low-salinity water injection.
    The team has been researching which fields would benefit most from it.
    Researchers have also been developing gas injection technologies for use in reservoirs that are already flooded with water.
    Professor Mehran Sohrabi, director of the university's centre for enhanced oil recovery, believes new technologies could be a game changer for the industry and has called for more investment to reverse the decline in North Sea production.
    'Too expensive'He said: "At least half of the original oil still remains in the North Sea reservoirs but there are great challenges in extracting it using enhanced oil recovery (EOR) techniques.
    "These include limited platform space and large well spacing, making extraction too expensive to pursue.
    "Following years of research at the university, we now believe we can overcome these challenges."

    BBC News - Technology boost for Scotland's oil reserves in North Sea
    I TOLD YOU so's will of course now commence and people will become angrier and angrier at the blatant deceit of these characters as their lies fall like dominoes. What else can be expected? And I sincerely hope it doesn't descent into a pit of something which doesn't follow democratic process, because of the idiocy of unscrupulous people.
    Last edited by Viv; 09-24-14 at 06:45 PM.

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    Re: Scotland Rejects Independence From Britain in a Close Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    In your and the biased opinion of all UK media only. They were not always at No and no Devo Max was available until your buffoon of a PM bottled it and put it back onto the agenda, where it should always have been but wasn't....until the polls showed Yes in the lead. At which point the polls showed the actual swing of the Devo Max voters as THE game changer.
    Not come across that before - do you have a link?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    -- You missed the bit where natcen was discredited. Repeatedly.
    I found one from 1984 but nothing else more recent. Links please?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    -- God love him, he would say anything to get his strange visage on the news. His wavering unfactual opinion means less than yours.
    I bet if he was making unfounded claims about cheating by the English, you'd be all over him like a rash?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    -- No, basically the democratic process was derailed by people who think they got away with it. I am happy to follow democratic process.
    Until it comes up with a decision you didn't agree with..

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    -- I am not happy to see democracy made a total fool of. And neither should you be. How many times did you hear that patronising statement "this is a decision for the Scottish people alone"? And how fast did you see that trampled into the ground when it didn't go how they expected...
    I read your posts in the last hours and none of this came out. You've had time to chew the cud and found it bitter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    I am not unhappy, by the way. I am effing incandescent. And I am far from unique.
    There will always be sore losers everywhere.

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