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    Re: Scotland Rejects Independence From Britain in a Close Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I don't know that Mel Gibson has offered an opinion on the issue.
    Then don't use his image to promote a silly viewpoint.
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    Re: Scotland Rejects Independence From Britain in a Close Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Then don't use his image to promote a silly viewpoint.
    If he doesn't like it, he can log in and say so.

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    Re: Scotland Rejects Independence From Britain in a Close Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I don't know that Mel Gibson has offered an opinion on the issue.
    Sometimes it's difficult to distinguish between an actor and an historical figure such as William Wallace. I mean, they're so similar.

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    Re: Scotland Rejects Independence From Britain in a Close Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Scotland doesn't need the advice of a millionaire antisemitic Aussie religious extremist drunk. Even if he paints himself blue.
    He was born in NY and holds dual Irish and American citizenship. He's not Australian.
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    Re: Scotland Rejects Independence From Britain in a Close Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Sometimes it's difficult to distinguish between an actor and an historical figure such as William Wallace. I mean, they're so similar.
    Oh, so Manc Skipper was talking about William Wallis, not Mel Gibson, when he said....
    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Scotland doesn't need the advice of a millionaire antisemitic Aussie religious extremist drunk. Even if he paints himself blue.
    ...in that case....
    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Then don't use his image to promote a silly viewpoint.
    I didn't post an image of William Wallis. I posted a picture of Mel Gibson playing William Wallis in a movie. A movie is like a moving picture and with sound.

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    Re: Scotland Rejects Independence From Britain in a Close Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    It declares the 'indissoluble unity' of Spain. There is no get-out, there is no alternative. There is no provision for a constituent region or nation within Spain to secede. If that isn't a block on democracy, what would you call it?
    The democratic process is not largely or wholly defined by whether secession votes are permitted.

    In any case, the Constitution can be amended or revised. The key to its being amended or revised is that there needs to be broad support for such a change and when it comes to possible votes of secession, which impact a country's survival, the threshold should be difficult with consent from the vast majority of the country's people. There is no compelling reason that the Catalans cannot enjoy full political and economic participation in Spain Indeed, the Spanish Constitution "recognizes and guarantees the right to autonomy of the nationalities and regions which make it up and the solidarity among all of them" and that "The other languages of Spain will also be official in the respective autonomous communities, in accordance with their Statutes."

    With respect Don, what you or I prefer isn't particularly relevant, but then it appears that what the Catalan people prefer isn't relevant either.
    What's relevant or irrelevant for the Catalan people has nothing to do with our preferences. The Constitution sets the parameters regarding secession. Spain has gone very far to accommodate its many peoples.

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    Re: Scotland Rejects Independence From Britain in a Close Vote

    I thought this cartoon from The Independent kinda sums up the aftermath of the referendum. Alex Salmond walking away, leaving Cameron, Milliband & Clegg left with the 'can of worms'

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    Re: Scotland Rejects Independence From Britain in a Close Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Scotland doesn't need the advice of a millionaire antisemitic Aussie religious extremist drunk. Even if he paints himself blue.
    Nor do they need the opinions of UKIP or BNP which are just British antisemitic drunks. But Gibson is Irish-American.



    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Freedom is taken, never offered by the supposed oppressor. Scotland was free, before during and after their free choice.
    So Scotland is free to print their own money, drill their own oil and a dozen other things I can name off the top of my head.. that it couldn't do before? So Scotland is only as free as free as the UK allows.
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    Re: Scotland Rejects Independence From Britain in a Close Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Nor do they need the opinions of UKIP or BNP which are just British antisemitic drunks. But Gibson is Irish-American.





    So Scotland is free to print their own money, drill their own oil and a dozen other things I can name off the top of my head.. that it couldn't do before? So Scotland is only as free as free as the UK allows.
    Actually Scottish banks do print their own money, something other UK banks do not. On the monetary point; that was a major feature of the debate and as far as I understood they planned/wanted to retain monetary union even after independence.
    I support the right to keep and arm bears

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