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    Re: Scotland Rejects Independence From Britain in a Close Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Anyone who's not happy in the USA always has the option to hit the road.

    The entrance to the exit is wide open.
    What if a state wants to leave?

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    Re: Scotland Rejects Independence From Britain in a Close Vote

    What does this mean to America?

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    Re: Scotland Rejects Independence From Britain in a Close Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Anyone who's not happy in the USA always has the option to hit the road.
    I'm quite happy in the USA and hit the road as much as I can--Eisenhower's Audubons.
    Yes we can learn a lot from what the UK just went through.

    I still would love to see the President questioned by the House and Senate, Parliament style,
    though the Kerry hearings the last two days were another circus.

    I don't imagine the British Parliament would go on a 54 day vacation, when they're back at war as our Senate/House did today.
    After working just two 4-day weeks preceeded by their previous 42-day vacation.
    Nice optics to the 1,700 soldiers and their families in Iraq right now huh?
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    Re: Scotland Rejects Independence From Britain in a Close Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Texas and NE Colorado want to secede once a month, like a bad period.
    Too bad Texas doesn't live up to the standards of the Great Man, sam Houston .
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    Re: Scotland Rejects Independence From Britain in a Close Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I seriously doubt that Spain will ever permit a referendum on independence to be held in Catalonia.

    And I also seriously doubt that Catalonia will ever be able to secede and defeat the Spanish military.

    But I could be wrong, let's wait and see, eh?

    Just what Europe needs: A second Spanish civil war. I wonder which side Germany will choose this time around.
    I think it's a measure of political maturity that the leadership of a state has the confidence to allow its constituent nationalities to decide whether to remain or to leave a political union. It's political immaturity to do what the PP in Spain are doing and say, despite the very clear will of a very large portion of Catalan society, "it's not for you to decide, it's for all of Spain, because that's what the constitution says."

    A constitution is meant to be a tool for the people to use to govern themselves, not a hammer to knock them into acquiescence. I guess this is where the British can see the very real benefit of not having a codified constitution.
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    Re: Scotland Rejects Independence From Britain in a Close Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I seriously doubt that Spain will ever permit a referendum on independence to be held in Catalonia.

    And I also seriously doubt that Catalonia will ever be able to secede and defeat the Spanish military.

    But I could be wrong, let's wait and see, eh?

    Just what Europe needs: A second Spanish civil war. I wonder which side Germany will choose this time around.
    Good point about whether a referendum will be allowed or not but I doubt that there will be a war if any region of any state in europe decides to secede. They have nowhere to go but in the EU.

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    Re: Scotland Rejects Independence From Britain in a Close Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I think it's a measure of political maturity that the leadership of a state has the confidence to allow its constituent nationalities to decide whether to remain or to leave a political union. It's political immaturity to do what the PP in Spain are doing and say, despite the very clear will of a very large portion of Catalan society, "it's not for you to decide, it's for all of Spain, because that's what the constitution says."

    A constitution is meant to be a tool for the people to use to govern themselves, not a hammer to knock them into acquiescence. I guess this is where the British can see the very real benefit of not having a codified constitution.
    I suspect that once the PP is kicked out of government again next year, then the independence calls will fade a bit, since I suspect the POSE will have to make a coalition government with regional parties.. and the PP wont be able to do that as they are universally hated at the moment due to their idiotic corruption and incompetence.. you see they finally dropped their Franco era abortion law plans... guess there is an election soon!?

    Catalonian independence would be catastrophic.. not so much for Spain but for Catalonia. The amount of debt that Catalonia has and deficit would crush the newborn nation very fast.

    I suspect there might be given more powers to the regions but saying that, not sure what else can be given to regions. They already have healthcare and many other things to deal with and many are doing it rather poorly.... including Catalonia that needed a bailout.
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    Re: Scotland Rejects Independence From Britain in a Close Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Well, that certainly makes things a lot simpler.

    I think that union is ultimately in the best interests of both Scotland and the UK in general. I simply hope that this vote doesn't set the stage for anything worse further down the road.
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    Re: Scotland Rejects Independence From Britain in a Close Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What does this mean to America?
    The price of Scotch and bagpipes remain unchanged?
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    Re: Scotland Rejects Independence From Britain in a Close Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    I hope they do, in many ways they are holding back the rest of the US with their large number of congress people and electoral votes combined with archaic ideas.

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