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    Re: Florida State suspends Jameis Winston for first half vs. Clemson

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, I can put you down for being perfectly fine for Satan coloring books being given to 7 year olds...Nice.
    First Amendment applies to Satanists too. Sorry, it's the Christians that want to break down the wall of separation, now you're all worried about who gets in. You don't want the rats coming in, don't cut holes in the wall.

    Define "extreme right"...Is that someone that disagrees with you or what?
    In this case that would be those who got their panties in a wad over a gay player putting on a helmet.


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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Florida State suspends Jameis Winston for first half vs. Clemson

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    First Amendment applies to Satanists too. Sorry, it's the Christians that want to break down the wall of separation, now you're all worried about who gets in. You don't want the rats coming in, don't cut holes in the wall.

    Nonsense.

    In this case that would be those who got their panties in a wad over a gay player putting on a helmet.
    More nonsense....


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    Re: Florida State suspends Jameis Winston for first half vs. Clemson

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Nonsense.
    How is that nonsense? Is it your contention that Satanists DON'T have first amendment rights?
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Florida State suspends Jameis Winston for first half vs. Clemson

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    How is that nonsense? Is it your contention that Satanists DON'T have first amendment rights?
    No, he's just trying to divert the thread.










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    Re: Florida State suspends Jameis Winston for first half vs. Clemson

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Is there more to this story other than he hopped on to a table to yell out a couple of obscenities?
    Yeah, there is. Winston is a Heisman trophy winner and (was) a Heisman trophy candidate. He's been in trouble since he got to FSU. He is under investigation for rape. There's an entire story behind the fact that no investigation took place until after he won the Heisman and FSU won the national championship. He is a senior and should have a hell of a lot better sense. He doesn't.

    Is his behavior a problem? You damned skippy. It's being said that NFL scouts are writing big question marks by his name. I read where Mel Kipper dropped him from 5 to 25 in draft potential. I've also read where some scouts are saying he'll probably drop from first round to second round. That's how people are talking about it. Winston looks as if he will be a loose cannon.

    Like one scout said, "If you can't trust a player's character when he is broke, you can't trust his character when he's making 30 million dollars." Think Aaron Hernandez.










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    Re: Florida State suspends Jameis Winston for first half vs. Clemson

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Yeah, there is. Winston is a Heisman trophy winner and (was) a Heisman trophy candidate. He's been in trouble since he got to FSU. He is under investigation for rape. There's an entire story behind the fact that no investigation took place until after he won the Heisman and FSU won the national championship. He is a senior and should have a hell of a lot better sense. He doesn't.

    Is his behavior a problem? You damned skippy. It's being said that NFL scouts are writing big question marks by his name. I read where Mel Kipper dropped him from 5 to 25 in draft potential. I've also read where some scouts are saying he'll probably drop from first round to second round. That's how people are talking about it. Winston looks as if he will be a loose cannon.

    Like one scout said, "If you can't trust a player's character when he is broke, you can't trust his character when he's making 30 million dollars." Think Aaron Hernandez.
    It might not be a bad idea if the NFL could suspend an individual's draft eligibility in certain sufficiently serious circumstances (i.e., child, sex, or domestic abuse) for a period of time to see if he cleans up his conduct. For example, if a hypothetical player sought to enter the 2015 draft but had engaged in disqualifying conduct, his eligibility could be suspended for a year or two and then reviewed afterward. Draft eligibility would be reinstated if and only if he had no additional similar or worse conduct or legal issues. So long as a player expects that he will all but automatically be drafted and have a chance at a lucrative career, certain individuals have too ittle incentive to consider their conduct.

    Considering that the vast majority of players does not behave in such a fashion, there is almost certainly no compelling reason that a small handful of individuals could not have their draft eligibility suspended without any serious impact on the quality of the game. Almost certainly, a player like Winston needs the NFL far more than the league needs him. Indeed, given the NFL's current troubles it might even be better off without him. Playing in the NFL is a privilege, not an entitlement.

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    Re: Florida State suspends Jameis Winston for first half vs. Clemson

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    How is that nonsense? Is it your contention that Satanists DON'T have first amendment rights?
    The nonsense is in that he said that "...t's the Christians that want to break down the wall of separation,..."

    That is bunk.
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    Re: Florida State suspends Jameis Winston for first half vs. Clemson

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    No, he's just trying to divert the thread.
    Why don't you just stick to topic, instead of talking about me....if you can....
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    Re: Florida State suspends Jameis Winston for first half vs. Clemson

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    It might not be a bad idea if the NFL could suspend an individual's draft eligibility in certain sufficiently serious circumstances (i.e., child, sex, or domestic abuse) for a period of time to see if he cleans up his conduct. For example, if a hypothetical player sought to enter the 2015 draft but had engaged in disqualifying conduct, his eligibility could be suspended for a year or two and then reviewed afterward. Draft eligibility would be reinstated if and only if he had no additional similar or worse conduct or legal issues. So long as a player expects that he will all but automatically be drafted and have a chance at a lucrative career, certain individuals have too ittle incentive to consider their conduct.

    Considering that the vast majority of players does not behave in such a fashion, there is almost certainly no compelling reason that a small handful of individuals could not have their draft eligibility suspended without any serious impact on the quality of the game. Almost certainly, a player like Winston needs the NFL far more than the league needs him. Indeed, given the NFL's current troubles it might even be better off without him. Playing in the NFL is a privilege, not an entitlement.
    On that, I'll agree....There seems to be something wrong with the guy's thinking process.
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    Re: Florida State suspends Jameis Winston for first half vs. Clemson

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Meanwhile, florida courts upheld the right of "Satanist" to distribute coloring books to kids in schools.
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, I can put you down for being perfectly fine for Satan coloring books being given to 7 year olds...Nice.



    Define "extreme right"...Is that someone that disagrees with you or what?
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Nonsense.



    More nonsense....


    You're two for two in this post.
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The nonsense is in that he said that "...t's the Christians that want to break down the wall of separation,..."

    That is bunk.
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Why don't you just stick to topic, instead of talking about me....if you can....

    Huh?

    Thread title and thread topic - Florida State Suspends Jameis Wilson for the First Half vs. Clemson. You be all apoplectic about da debil and coloring books. None of which had anything to do with the OP.














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