Iranian leader rips ISIS, questions U.S. willingness to 'sacrifice' in terror fight

[Dragonfly]

Iranian President: ISIS killings are shameful - CNN.com

"They want to kill humanity and, from the viewpoint of the Islamic tenets and culture, killing an innocent person equals the killing of (all) humanity," Rouhani said of ISIS militants, according to the translation on NBC's website. " ... The killing and beheading of innocent people, in fact, is a matter of shame on them and a matter of concern and sorry for all ... mankind."The only relevant thing about the victims is that they were innocent, not their nationalities or religions, according to Rouhani

The comments regarding the USofA's sacrifices are laughable considering what the US has been engaged in for the last 13 years, but it's also to be expected considering the source.

I mean, what exactly has Iran been doing to fight ISIS?????

Regardless, I think it's a tiny bit refreshing to see anti-ISIS comments coming from Iran.

Can an enemy of our enemy be our friend on some level?

 

[lizzie]

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Call me skeptical, but I don't generally place any trust in what any of the ME leaders have to say. Keep a watchful eye, and don't make assumptions about their honesty or their intentions.

 

[DDD]

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Difficult to say.

I think whether such a speech can harm ISIS moral depends on whether they take the Iranian speech as truthful or not. If ISIS believes he is just making lip service then this is to no avail.

 

[Dragonfly]

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Call me skeptical, but I don't generally place any trust in what any of the ME leaders have to say. Keep a watchful eye, and don't make assumptions about their honesty or their intentions.

Agree completely.

One thing to remember though, to date, ISIS has slaughtered far far more Muslims than westerners.

 

[lizzie]

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Agree completely.

One thing to remember though, to date, ISIS has slaughtered far far more Muslims than westerners.

Yes, I realize that, but the entire region is fairly tribal in nature, and Muslims killing each other in large numbers is nothing unusual. If it wasn't ISIS, there'd likely be someone else to be outraged about. If he truly is concerned, then he needs to gather his resources and try to take action. That would speak much louder than rhetoric.

 

[Dragonfly]

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Yes, I realize that, but the entire region is fairly tribal in nature, and Muslims killing each other in large numbers is nothing unusual. If it wasn't ISIS, there'd likely be someone else to be outraged about. If he truly is concerned, then he needs to gather his resources and try to take action. That would speak much louder than rhetoric.

All true.

At least this time some words are coming. Not just silence.

Actions will speak louder than words.

I'd like to hear/read about an Iranian air strike on an ISIS stronghold, or Iranian troops in intimate combat against ISIS.
That would be awesome.

 

[tres borrachos]

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Iranian President: ISIS killings are shameful - CNN.com



The comments regarding the USofA's sacrifices are laughable considering what the US has been engaged in for the last 13 years, but it's also to be expected considering the source.

I mean, what exactly has Iran been doing to fight ISIS?????

Regardless, I think it's a tiny bit refreshing to see anti-ISIS comments coming from Iran.

Can an enemy of our enemy be our friend on some level?

I agree with you. As to the bolded part....nothing that I'm aware of.

 

[donsutherland1]

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I mean, what exactly has Iran been doing to fight ISIS?????

Iran would make the case that it has been helping Syria's government fight groups such as ISIS, as well as ISIS' allies including the Nusra Front and Free Syrian Army (Frustration drives Arsal).

On the matter of U.S. efforts, Iran is not in a strong position to criticize the U.S., as the U.S. has been carrying out airstrikes against the ISIS terrorist organization.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

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On fighting Isis


Iran has been working with Syria, Hezbollah on fighting ISIS in Syria, sending military aid to Syria and top level advisors on the ground. As for actual Iranian troops in Syria fighting none that I am aware of


In Iraq,

On a few occasions Iran has sent a few hundred soldiers to near by towns that were fighting ISIS, it is also working with Shia militias and the Iraqi military on fighting ISIS.

Iran does consider ISIS to be a great threat and has done as much as it can do short of sending an army into Syria or Iraq to fight them head on.

 

[Dragonfly]

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On fighting Isis


Iran has been working with Syria, Hezbollah on fighting ISIS in Syria, sending military aid to Syria and top level advisors on the ground. As for actual Iranian troops in Syria fighting none that I am aware of


In Iraq,

On a few occasions Iran has sent a few hundred soldiers to near by towns that were fighting ISIS, it is also working with Shia militias and the Iraqi military on fighting ISIS.

Iran does consider ISIS to be a great threat and has done as much as it can do short of sending an army into Syria or Iraq to fight them head on.

Is that documented somewhere? Does Al Jazeera post that news?

 

[Montecresto]

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Call me skeptical, but I don't generally place any trust in what any of the ME leaders have to say. Keep a watchful eye, and don't make assumptions about their honesty or their intentions.

I think for good reason, that feeling is mutual.

 

[Montecresto]

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I agree with you. As to the bolded part....nothing that I'm aware of.

Iran has boots on the ground against the Islamic State.

Iran 'sent soldiers to fight in Iraq' - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

 

[TheDemSocialist]

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I mean, what exactly has Iran been doing to fight ISIS?????

Not to be "sticking up for Iran" or anything but they have been training Iraqi troops and Shia militias, been supporting and training Syrian troops.

 

[donsutherland1]

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Is that documented somewhere? Does Al Jazeera post that news?

Iran's support for Syria's government is well-documented. For example, Reuters reported earlier this year:

As Syria's war nears the start of its fourth year, Iran has stepped up support on the ground for President Bashar al-Assad, providing elite teams to gather intelligence and train troops, sources with knowledge of military movements say.

This further backing from Tehran, along with deliveries of munitions and equipment from Moscow, is helping to keep Assad in power at a time when neither his own forces nor opposition fighters have a decisive edge on the battlefield.

Iran boosts military support in Syria to bolster Assad | Reuters

 

[Captain America]

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Call me skeptical, but I don't generally place any trust in what any of the ME leaders have to say. Keep a watchful eye, and don't make assumptions about their honesty or their intentions.

I agree. Their reality has nothing to do with real.

I think I heard that their religion even justifies lying to "infidels," as a means to an end, to support their agenda. I'm not 100% sure that is in the Quran, but I heard it was. Can anybody lend any input towards that?

Seriously, these Middle East folks seem to be from Venus and we seem to be from Mars. World's apart. It's hard to believe we even share any DNA. I don't trust a word they speak. Their actions speak louder than words anyways. I wish there was a way to isolate them from modern civilization altogether. But there's ALWAYS that oil thing.

 

[KevinKohler]

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Iran is not our friend.


No one over there is.

"An enemy of my enemy is my friend" is failed policy.

 

[Dragonfly]

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"An enemy of my enemy is my friend" is failed policy.

Hasn't that basically been the US Foreign policy for the last 50 years or so?

 

[Mr. Invisible]

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Yes, I realize that, but the entire region is fairly tribal in nature, and Muslims killing each other in large numbers is nothing unusual. If it wasn't ISIS, there'd likely be someone else to be outraged about. If he truly is concerned, then he needs to gather his resources and try to take action. That would speak much louder than rhetoric.

The Iranians are taking action against ISIS.

Hagel: US knows Iran, Russia aiding Iraq in fight against ISIS | TheHill

Iran?s Revolutionary Guards Fighting ISIS in Iraq

Iran Offers Iraq

Iran 'sent soldiers to fight in Iraq' - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

 

[KevinKohler]

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Hasn't that basically been the US Foreign policy for the last 50 years or so?

Yes. And all of the problems we've faced in the last 20 or so have been of our own creation.

Sadam? Our guy. We put him there. Alquaida? We trained them.

Literally every enemy we have since the cold war have been created by us.

 

[Objective Voice]

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...what exactly has Iran been doing to fight ISIS?????

Regardless, I think it's a tiny bit refreshing to see anti-ISIS comments coming from Iran.

Can an enemy of our enemy be our friend on some level?

Call me skeptical, but I don't generally place any trust in what any of the ME leaders have to say. Keep a watchful eye, and don't make assumptions about their honesty or their intentions.

Difficult to say.

I think whether such a speech can harm ISIS moral depends on whether they take the Iranian speech as truthful or not. If ISIS believes he is just making lip service then this is to no avail.

On fighting Isis


Iran has been working with Syria, Hezbollah on fighting ISIS in Syria, sending military aid to Syria and top level advisors on the ground. As for actual Iranian troops in Syria fighting none that I am aware of.


In Iraq,

On a few occasions Iran has sent a few hundred soldiers to near by towns that were fighting ISIS, it is also working with Shia militias and the Iraqi military on fighting ISIS.

Iran does consider ISIS to be a great threat and has done as much as it can do short of sending an army into Syria or Iraq to fight them head on.

Iran's political and religious leaders are good at double-talk. Even now, Rouhani might say that what ISIS is doing is a subversion of Islam and goes against true Islamic religious believes and speak of peace, but when it comes does to demonstrating peaceful actions outside of Iran, I seriously doubt he'll put his nation's manpower where his public foreign policy narrative is.

To put it simply: Until Iran puts boots on the ground in Iraq, Syria or anywhere ISIS may be outside Iran, I don't trust the Iranian leadership to do anything to stop this ISIS threat.

Edit: I'm still skeptical. One of these ME nation's in the Arab world needs to be brave enough to take a stand against this threat. IMHO, it has to be either Iran or Saudi Arabia. If Iran steps in it will lean tons more credibility to the anti-Jihadist fight. The Saudis will only be seen as a puppet to the U.S. - far less creditable in the Arab world.

 

[lizzie]

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I think for good reason, that feeling is mutual.

It makes no difference to me if they trust us or not. I'd love to be completely disentangled from the entire ME region, but they just seem to have a need to spread their insanity to western democracies, and when that becomes the case, it becomes a problem for us. As far as I am concerned, they can just go ahead killing each other, as they've likely done since they became self-aware. They are generally a bunch of savages, and those who are not, certainly don't seem to want to take the upper hand and get rid of the scourge that plagues them. It's a damn shame that in a region where some of the finest minds have come from throughout history, they culturally refuse to progress, for the most part.

 

[poweRob]

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I agree. Their reality has nothing to do with real.

I think I heard that their religion even justifies lying to "infidels," as a means to an end, to support their agenda. I'm not 100% sure that is in the Quran, but I heard it was. Can anybody lend any input towards that?

Seriously, these Middle East folks seem to be from Venus and we seem to be from Mars. World's apart. It's hard to believe we even share any DNA. I don't trust a word they speak. Their actions speak louder than words anyways. I wish there was a way to isolate them from modern civilization altogether. But there's ALWAYS that oil thing.

Isolate them by making their cash cow worth almost nothing. Then the money dries up. The wars for their turf dries up and they fade into irrelevance and they don't have the funding to cross oceans and attack anyone.

 

[poweRob]

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Call me skeptical, but I don't generally place any trust in what any of the ME leaders have to say. Keep a watchful eye, and don't make assumptions about their honesty or their intentions.

I'm highly skeptical of the region as well. But where I'm at now and as odd as it may sound... I trust Iran FAAAARRRRR more than I do our supposed ally Saudi Arabia. Every time we turn around SA is funding who we are fighting. Almost all the 9/11 hijackers were SA's with funding from government officials. SA seems now to be funding ISIL... their Sunni brothers. SA is a bunch of lying backstabbers from anything I can see of their actions.

 

[Montecresto]

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It makes no difference to me if they trust us or not. I'd love to be completely disentangled from the entire ME region, but they just seem to have a need to spread their insanity to western democracies, and when that becomes the case, it becomes a problem for us. As far as I am concerned, they can just go ahead killing each other, as they've likely done since they became self-aware. They are generally a bunch of savages, and those who are not, certainly don't seem to want to take the upper hand and get rid of the scourge that plagues them. It's a damn shame that in a region where some of the finest minds have come from throughout history, they culturally refuse to progress, for the most part.

I'll agree with you that we should be disentangled from the ME, at least when it comes to intrigue, subterfuge, intervention, interference, regime change and any other destabilising policies. But perhaps it's for those very reasons that they feel a need to spread their "insanity" to Western democracies. In fact, in many various ways, they've articulated so.

 

[Montecresto]

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Isolate them by making their cash cow worth almost nothing. Then the money dries up. The wars for their turf dries up and they fade into irrelevance and they don't have the funding to cross oceans and attack anyone.

And, stop practicing regime change on the powers that did indeed contain them.