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    Re: Iranian leader rips ISIS, questions U.S. willingness to 'sacrifice' in terror fig

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Call me skeptical, but I don't generally place any trust in what any of the ME leaders have to say. Keep a watchful eye, and don't make assumptions about their honesty or their intentions.
    I think for good reason, that feeling is mutual.
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    Re: Iranian leader rips ISIS, questions U.S. willingness to 'sacrifice' in terror fig

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I agree with you. As to the bolded part....nothing that I'm aware of.
    Iran has boots on the ground against the Islamic State.

    Iran 'sent soldiers to fight in Iraq' - Middle East - Al Jazeera English
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    Re: Iranian leader rips ISIS, questions U.S. willingness to 'sacrifice' in terror fig

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I mean, what exactly has Iran been doing to fight ISIS?????
    Not to be "sticking up for Iran" or anything but they have been training Iraqi troops and Shia militias, been supporting and training Syrian troops.


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    Re: Iranian leader rips ISIS, questions U.S. willingness to 'sacrifice' in terror fig

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Is that documented somewhere? Does Al Jazeera post that news?
    Iran's support for Syria's government is well-documented. For example, Reuters reported earlier this year:

    As Syria's war nears the start of its fourth year, Iran has stepped up support on the ground for President Bashar al-Assad, providing elite teams to gather intelligence and train troops, sources with knowledge of military movements say.

    This further backing from Tehran, along with deliveries of munitions and equipment from Moscow, is helping to keep Assad in power at a time when neither his own forces nor opposition fighters have a decisive edge on the battlefield.


    Iran boosts military support in Syria to bolster Assad | Reuters

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    Re: Iranian leader rips ISIS, questions U.S. willingness to 'sacrifice' in terror fig

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Call me skeptical, but I don't generally place any trust in what any of the ME leaders have to say. Keep a watchful eye, and don't make assumptions about their honesty or their intentions.
    I agree. Their reality has nothing to do with real.

    I think I heard that their religion even justifies lying to "infidels," as a means to an end, to support their agenda. I'm not 100% sure that is in the Quran, but I heard it was. Can anybody lend any input towards that?

    Seriously, these Middle East folks seem to be from Venus and we seem to be from Mars. World's apart. It's hard to believe we even share any DNA. I don't trust a word they speak. Their actions speak louder than words anyways. I wish there was a way to isolate them from modern civilization altogether. But there's ALWAYS that oil thing.

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    Re: Iranian leader rips ISIS, questions U.S. willingness to 'sacrifice' in terror fig

    Iran is not our friend.


    No one over there is.

    "An enemy of my enemy is my friend" is failed policy.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Iranian leader rips ISIS, questions U.S. willingness to 'sacrifice' in terror fig

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    "An enemy of my enemy is my friend" is failed policy.
    Hasn't that basically been the US Foreign policy for the last 50 years or so?

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    Re: Iranian leader rips ISIS, questions U.S. willingness to 'sacrifice' in terror fig

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Yes, I realize that, but the entire region is fairly tribal in nature, and Muslims killing each other in large numbers is nothing unusual. If it wasn't ISIS, there'd likely be someone else to be outraged about. If he truly is concerned, then he needs to gather his resources and try to take action. That would speak much louder than rhetoric.
    The Iranians are taking action against ISIS.

    Hagel: US knows Iran, Russia aiding Iraq in fight against ISIS | TheHill

    Iran?s Revolutionary Guards Fighting ISIS in Iraq

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    Re: Iranian leader rips ISIS, questions U.S. willingness to 'sacrifice' in terror fig

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Hasn't that basically been the US Foreign policy for the last 50 years or so?
    Yes. And all of the problems we've faced in the last 20 or so have been of our own creation.

    Sadam? Our guy. We put him there. Alquaida? We trained them.

    Literally every enemy we have since the cold war have been created by us.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Iranian leader rips ISIS, questions U.S. willingness to 'sacrifice' in terror fig

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    ...what exactly has Iran been doing to fight ISIS?????

    Regardless, I think it's a tiny bit refreshing to see anti-ISIS comments coming from Iran.

    Can an enemy of our enemy be our friend on some level?
    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Call me skeptical, but I don't generally place any trust in what any of the ME leaders have to say. Keep a watchful eye, and don't make assumptions about their honesty or their intentions.
    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Difficult to say.

    I think whether such a speech can harm ISIS moral depends on whether they take the Iranian speech as truthful or not. If ISIS believes he is just making lip service then this is to no avail.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    On fighting Isis


    Iran has been working with Syria, Hezbollah on fighting ISIS in Syria, sending military aid to Syria and top level advisors on the ground. As for actual Iranian troops in Syria fighting none that I am aware of.


    In Iraq,

    On a few occasions Iran has sent a few hundred soldiers to near by towns that were fighting ISIS
    , it is also working with Shia militias and the Iraqi military on fighting ISIS.

    Iran does consider ISIS to be a great threat and has done as much as it can do short of sending an army into Syria or Iraq to fight them head on.
    Iran's political and religious leaders are good at double-talk. Even now, Rouhani might say that what ISIS is doing is a subversion of Islam and goes against true Islamic religious believes and speak of peace, but when it comes does to demonstrating peaceful actions outside of Iran, I seriously doubt he'll put his nation's manpower where his public foreign policy narrative is.

    To put it simply: Until Iran puts boots on the ground in Iraq, Syria or anywhere ISIS may be outside Iran, I don't trust the Iranian leadership to do anything to stop this ISIS threat.

    Edit: I'm still skeptical. One of these ME nation's in the Arab world needs to be brave enough to take a stand against this threat. IMHO, it has to be either Iran or Saudi Arabia. If Iran steps in it will lean tons more credibility to the anti-Jihadist fight. The Saudis will only be seen as a puppet to the U.S. - far less creditable in the Arab world.
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