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Arizona Cardinals player arrested on domestic violence allegations

Hamster Buddha said:
My problem with the NFL has been the frantic reaction to the reaction, which shows a lack of leadership and belief in their convictions.
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Even as we disagree on the appropriate suspension (I believe a much lengthier one was warranted), the NFL's reaction stems from the lack of a policy to deal with such cases. The NFL never brought in experts to help design policies related to such cases, even as the Ray Rice incident was not the NFL's first-such case. As a result, its approach has been ad hoc. Had the NFL had a set of policies, including penalties, let's say X game suspension for the first case, Y games or even a lifetime ban for the second, then implemented the terms of the policy, there would have been far less fallout. After all, the NFL could then have pointed out that its system was designed by experts in dealing with domestic abuse.

It should be noted that many companies have well-defined policies for such circumstances. That the NFL, which has had past incidents among various players, apparently had none is a leadership failure. All the attention this very real problem is now drawing has detracted from the efforts and example of the NFL's majority of players who do not engage in domestic abuse, child abuse, or other crimes.
 
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According to a court document, the incident began the morning of July 21, when after a verbal argument with his wife at their Phoenix apartment, Dwyer allegedly tried to kiss his wife and remove her clothing.

She told him to stop several times, and "when he continued, she bit the defendant's lip. He head-butted her in the face, which she later learned had caused a nasal bone fracture."

A neighbor called police because of "the loud arguing," and when they arrived, Dwyer's wife told them that only she and her son were in the house, the document says. Dwyer acknowledged Wednesday that he was hiding in a bathroom at the time, according to police.

Dwyer's wife said that the running back texted a photo of a knife, saying he didn't want to live, and threatened to kill himself in front of her and her son if she told police about the assault, the document says.

On July 22, there was another argument, and Dwyer allegedly punched his wife on the left side of her face, according to the court document.

"He also began punching the walls, causing visible damage. The defendant then picked up a shoe and threw it, striking their 17-month-old son in the stomach," it says. The child was not injured.

When his wife threatened to call police, Dwyer allegedly took her phone and threw it from their second-story residence, the document says. As his wife fled, witnesses heard her yell, "He f---ing hit me; I'm calling the police." Witnesses also reported seeing "swelling and discoloration" on the left side of her face, according to police.
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NFL's Dwyer posts bond after domestic violence arrest - CNN.com

Pretty sickening to see that this guy threatened to kill himself to save his own ass.
 
aseidner said:
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NFL's Dwyer posts bond after domestic violence arrest - CNN.com

Pretty sickening to see that this guy threatened to kill himself to save his own ass.
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I don't think it's surprising, though. Numerous such individuals often believe the world revolves around them. In such a perspective, they believe that all e.g., their spouses, are subservient to their wishes and, if not, can be compelled to become compliant. Hence, they can become abusive or worse.

When caught, they can try to transfer responsibility to others (e.g., making their spouse "responsible" for harm that falls on them) to try to evade accountability for their own actions. These individuals have difficulty understanding that the people around them have independent will and difficulty accepting responsibility for their actions. Dwyer's threat to kill himself and Peterson's unwillingness so far to acknowledge he did anything wrong and his attempt to shift blame for his conduct onto his parents for providing a model for child discipline (which may or may not be truthful) are both attempts to escape personal responsibility.
 
donsutherland1 said:
Even as we disagree on the appropriate suspension (I believe a much lengthier one was warranted), the NFL's reaction stems from the lack of a policy to deal with such cases. The NFL never brought in experts to help design policies related to such cases, even as the Ray Rice incident was not the NFL's first-such case. As a result, its approach has been ad hoc. Had the NFL had a set of policies, including penalties, let's say X game suspension for the first case, Y games or even a lifetime ban for the second, then implemented the terms of the policy, there would have been far less fallout. After all, the NFL could then have pointed out that its system was designed by experts in dealing with domestic abuse.

It should be noted that many companies have well-defined policies for such circumstances. That the NFL, which has had past incidents among various players, apparently had none is a leadership failure. All the attention this very real problem is now drawing has detracted from the efforts and example of the NFL's majority of players who do not engage in domestic abuse, child abuse, or other crimes.
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At the very least, I can agree with you on this.
 
aseidner said:
NFL's Dwyer arrested on domestic violence allegations - CNN.com

Seriously, this is getting out of hand. I can't believe yet another player from the NFL is facing charges involving domestic abuse. It seems to me that players are really have some issues turning off the aggression when they are off the field.
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I'm starting to think that the NFL's issue of domestic violence looks kind of like an offshoot of the other problem of roid raging.
 
donsutherland1 said:
I don't think it's surprising, though. Numerous such individuals often believe the world revolves around them. In such a perspective, they believe that all e.g., their spouses, are subservient to their wishes and, if not, can be compelled to become compliant. Hence, they can become abusive or worse.

When caught, they can try to transfer responsibility to others (e.g., making their spouse "responsible" for harm that falls on them) to try to evade accountability for their own actions. These individuals have difficulty understanding that the people around them have independent will and difficulty accepting responsibility for their actions. Dwyer's threat to kill himself and Peterson's unwillingness so far to acknowledge he did anything wrong and his attempt to shift blame for his conduct onto his parents for providing a model for child discipline (which may or may not be truthful) are both attempts to escape personal responsibility.
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Definitely agree with the above. Of course, NFL players with high salaries certainly aren't the only guys who have this kind of entitlement mentality. It isn't restricted to athletes or celebrities in other industries.
 
aseidner said:
NFL's Dwyer arrested on domestic violence allegations - CNN.com

Seriously, this is getting out of hand. I can't believe yet another player from the NFL is facing charges involving domestic abuse. It seems to me that players are really have some issues turning off the aggression when they are off the field.
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Or could it be a media out of control right now, casting all focus on the NFL in the attempt to draw attention from a bumbling stumbling administration?
 
It appears that the NFL Commissioner's press conference failed to end the proverbial bleeding. Following the press conference, ESPN broke another troubling story.

From ESPN:

After the Feb. 15 incident in the casino elevator, Ravens executives -- in particular owner Steve Bisciotti, president Dick Cass and general manager Ozzie Newsome -- began extensive public and private campaigns pushing for leniency for Rice on several fronts: from the judicial system in Atlantic County, where Rice faced assault charges, to commissioner Goodell, who ultimately would decide the number of games Rice would be suspended from this fall, to within their own building, where some were arguing immediately after the incident that Rice should be released.

The Ravens also consulted frequently with Rice's Philadelphia defense attorney, Michael J. Diamondstein, who in early April had obtained a copy of the inside-elevator video and told Cass: "It's f---ing horrible." Cass did not request a copy of the video from Diamondstein but instead began urging Rice's legal team to get Rice accepted into a pretrial intervention program after being told some of the program's benefits. Among them: It would keep the inside-elevator video from becoming public.

For its part, the NFL -- which in other player discipline cases has been able to obtain information that's been sealed by court order -- took an uncharacteristically passive approach when it came to gathering evidence, opening itself up to widespread criticism, allegations of inconsistent approaches to player discipline and questions about whether Goodell gave Rice -- the corporate face of the Baltimore franchise -- a light punishment as a favor to his good friend Bisciotti. Four sources said Ravens executives, including Bisciotti, Cass and Newsome, urged Goodell and other league executives to give Rice no more than a two-game suspension, and that's what Goodell did on July 24.

How the Ray Rice scandal unfolded between the Baltimore Ravens, Roger Goodell and the NFL - ESPN


If this is accurate, the NFL should take significant measures against Bisciotti, Cass and Newsome. Suspending all three from any NFL-related activities until a thorough investigation is completed would not be unreasonable.

Finally, although some of the NFL Commissioner's announced measures were constructive, his failure to name and empower an independent committee to fully examine the NFL's handling of the player cases and to devise an adequate policy framework for dealing with domestic abuse/child abuse cases, his failure to announce that the players currently on paid leave would be switched to unpaid leave (money to be made up with interest at the prevailing rate if they are exonerated), and failure to state that the players could face severe penalties on the order of a season-long suspension or more if they are convicted, suggested a still less than sufficiently decisive approach required to take control of the situation. Probably not too surprisingly, ESPN has now broken another potentially damaging story and NOW has reiterated its call for the NFL Commissioner to resign. How sponsors react in coming days will probably drive the evolution of events, but while the constructive steps can start the healing process, the lack of decisiveness has created risks that the scandal could continue to simmer.
 
j-mac said:
Or could it be a media out of control right now, casting all focus on the NFL in the attempt to draw attention from a bumbling stumbling administration?
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Actually, domestic violence isn't restricted to the NFL, not by a long shot. There are guys from all walks of life who commit horrific acts of assault on their wives and girlfriends, many of whom will never be a football player, or any other kind of sports figure for that matter.

The NFL should have created firm policies for players who commit domestic violence crimes against women and children a long time ago, and they should have been clear and non-negotiable. Such as, if you (ie the player) are arrested for assaulting your wife/girlfriend or child, you are immediately suspended from playing any games for the remainder of the season. If you (again, the player) are convicted on the charge(s), you are cut from the team permanently.

Unfortunately, the NFL has no such policies in place, and doesn't seem to have a clue how to act when its players commit violent crimes. Do they deserve to have this focus on them? Absolutely. Whether or not its devoted fans agree with that focus is irrelevant.
 
Ocean007 said:
Actually, domestic violence isn't restricted to the NFL, not by a long shot. There are guys from all walks of life who commit horrific acts of assault on their wives and girlfriends, many of whom will never be a football player, or any other kind of sports figure for that matter.

The NFL should have created firm policies for players who commit domestic violence crimes against women and children a long time ago, and they should have been clear and non-negotiable. Such as, if you (ie the player) are arrested for assaulting your wife/girlfriend or child, you are immediately suspended from playing any games for the remainder of the season. If you (again, the player) are convicted on the charge(s), you are cut from the team permanently.

Unfortunately, the NFL has no such policies in place, and doesn't seem to have a clue how to act when its players commit violent crimes. Do they deserve to have this focus on them? Absolutely. Whether or not its devoted fans agree with that focus is irrelevant.
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So I take it from this complete overreaction, and totally over the top hyperbole concerning the NFL policies, brought about by the breathless media's rush to condemn 3 out of more than 1700 players in the NFL, and that since you specifically used the word "convicted" in your rant, that you feel that Ray Rice, whom has not been convicted of anything, should be reinstated in the NFL?
 
Mr.Nick said:
I'm not going to excuse these players action, however I don't see how it is your business, the NFL business or even the Teams business...

Believe it or not athletes have PERSONAL TIME......
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I agree.

If it's illegal, it's the individual's involved and the law's business.

If it's legal (or no one presses charges), it's only the individual's involved business (assuming all are sane, consenting adults).


Why is it no one else's business if two consenting adults want to have gay sex (which I agree with), but it is everyone else's business if two consenting adults have violent, legal encounters with each other?

If a sane woman is punched by her husband, chooses to forgive him and refuses to press charges...then the incident is no one else's business - especially people that do not even know them.

She may be asking for trouble by doing so, but if she is sane and consenting, it is her right to handle it that way...and no one else's business.
 
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DA60 said:
Why is it no one else's business if two consenting adults want to have gay sex (which I agree with), but it is everyone else's business if two consenting adults have violent, legal encounters with each other?

If a sane woman is punched by her husband, chooses to forgive him and refuses to press charges...then the incident is no one else's business - especially people that do not even know them.
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There's no comparison whatsoever. Sex is consensual. Violence against another violates among a person's most fundamental rights, those of safety and security. Moreover, many victims, because they remain under undue influence of the abuser, often favor "forgiveness" in situations no reasonable or rational person would. That vulnerability should not be exploited. Such victims should be protected and their abusers held accountable for their actions.
 
j-mac said:
So I take it from this complete overreaction, and totally over the top hyperbole concerning the NFL policies, brought about by the breathless media's rush to condemn 3 out of more than 1700 players in the NFL, and that since you specifically used the word "convicted" in your rant, that you feel that Ray Rice, whom has not been convicted of anything, should be reinstated in the NFL?
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You bet I condemn guys who commit acts of domestic violence, whether they are football players or not. Don't like it? Tough.

As for Rice, he was SHOWN punching his then-fiancee-now-wife in the face and knocking her unconscious. I call that an act of domestic violence, no matter what you choose to call it. IMO he should have been arrested for it immediately, as that is considered to be ASSAULT, an arrestable offense, then suspended for the rest of the season.
 
DA60 said:
I agree.

If it's illegal, it's the individual's involved and the law's business.

If it's legal (or no one presses charges), it's only the individual's involved business (assuming all are sane, consenting adults).


Why is it no one else's business if two consenting adults want to have gay sex (which I agree with), but it is everyone else's business if two consenting adults have violent, legal encounters with each other?

If a sane woman is punched by her husband, chooses to forgive him and refuses to press charges...then the incident is no one else's business - especially people that do not even know them. She may be asking for trouble by doing so, but if she is sane and consenting, it is her right to handle it that way...and no one else's business.
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What utter NONSENSE, and how convenient, to put all the blame for HIS violent actions on the woman who was the victim of said violence. Great way to minimize or ignore the husband or boyfriend who does the PUNCHING of his wife or girlfriend, isn't it. :roll:
 
Ocean007 said:
What utter NONSENSE, and how convenient, to put all the blame for HIS violent actions on the woman who was the victim of said violence. Great way to minimize or ignore the husband or boyfriend who does the PUNCHING of his wife or girlfriend, isn't it. :roll:
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I see what he is saying though. This woman is grown and has all of her faculties about her. What he did was wrong, end of story! However I wonder how much added stress this will add to the marriage. How about the nfl offer counseling or spiritual support. I think if they did this first then the public wouldn't be so outraged. Who knows, maybe they did. Not everyone who hits their wife looses their jobs. LEO and the military have a big problem with domestic violence too. Taking someone's livelihood will not solve the problem.
 
herenow1 said:
I see what he is saying though. This woman is grown and has all of her faculties about her. What he did was wrong, end of story! However I wonder how much added stress this will add to the marriage. How about the nfl offer counseling or spiritual support. I think if they did this first then the public wouldn't be so outraged. Who knows, maybe they did. Not everyone who hits their wife looses their jobs. LEO and the military have a big problem with domestic violence too. Taking someone's livelihood will not solve the problem.
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True; probably not. However, I do believe that men who abuse women and children, be they football players or in any other job/career, need to be held accountable in some way. When they're not held accountable at all, they inevitably get the idea that violence against women and children is "okay," especially if they make multi-million-dollar salaries. Violence against women and children is NOT okay, and I don't buy the often-lame excuses from these guys, which are more self-serving than anything else.

IMO guys who minimize or dismiss their abusive actions against their loved ones do so for one reason; to avoid criminal prosecution and possible conviction. Last time I checked, physical assault on another person is a felony offense in pretty much all states. Guys who punch their wives/girlfriends and hit their kids with switches are guilty of such offenses and should be charged accordingly.
 
Ocean007 said:
You bet I condemn guys who commit acts of domestic violence, whether they are football players or not. Don't like it? Tough.

As for Rice, he was SHOWN punching his then-fiancee-now-wife in the face and knocking her unconscious. I call that an act of domestic violence, no matter what you choose to call it. IMO he should have been arrested for it immediately, as that is considered to be ASSAULT, an arrestable offense, then suspended for the rest of the season.
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He was arrested immediately. So was she.
 
Ocean007 said:
Okay. How long was Rice held in jail before being released? My guess; probably not that long.
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The same night he & his fiancée were arrested. Standard for first time offenders charged with simple domestic assault in Atlantic City.
 
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