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    Re: Arizona Cardinals player arrested on domestic violence allegations

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Did you notice the Minnesota owner taking Peterson off the roster?
    He wasn't standing in front of the Radisson logo this time--no logos at all.

    Yer too intelligent not to realize the bottom line for owners is their bottom line.
    That IS reality--and it isn't alternative .
    This isn't an NFL problem this is an internal problem with the Vikings organization...

    In what universe do you think you have a say in this situation? sure you can voice your concerns but beyond that - that is about where it ends...

    If you believe your opinion is worth more than your opinion then you're a totalitarian.

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    Re: Arizona Cardinals player arrested on domestic violence allegations

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    A culture of indifference can be toxic and it increasingly appears that the lack of gravity placed on the Ray Rice abuse case was symptomatic of a larger problem.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/nfl-punish...ry?id=25534452

    Changes including at the Commissioner's level, far better screening of players prior to being signed, a possible prohibition on drafting/signing individuals who have been convicted of domestic abuse/sex crimes, severe penalties for abuse, among other measures may be needed to turn around the league's culture. At the same time, the majority of players who do not commit such abuses need to be more vocal against those responsible for such abuses. Players who abet such acts e.g., Captain Munnerlyn (Vikings teammate Captain Munnerlyn says treatment of Adrian Peterson 'unfair' - TwinCities.com) are also part of the problem.
    INDIFFERENCE?!?!? Are you kidding me? You either haven't been on this forum the last week or two, Or you haven't checked outside AP's and Rice's house because otherwise you'd see the lynch mobs outside their houses! What Indifference are you talking about?

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    Re: Arizona Cardinals player arrested on domestic violence allegations

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    This isn't an NFL problem this is an internal problem with the Vikings organization...

    In what universe do you think you have a say in this situation? sure you can voice your concerns but beyond that - that is about where it ends...

    If you believe your opinion is worth more than your opinion then you're a totalitarian.
    I don't call people totalitarians like you do Mr. Nick.

    I simply report the data and observations and let folks decide.

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    Re: Arizona Cardinals player arrested on domestic violence allegations

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    INDIFFERENCE?!?!? Are you kidding me? You either haven't been on this forum the last week or two, Or you haven't checked outside AP's and Rice's house because otherwise you'd see the lynch mobs outside their houses! What Indifference are you talking about?
    I'm not going to excuse these players action, however I don't see how it is your business, the NFL business or even the Teams business...

    Believe it or not athletes have PERSONAL TIME......

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    Re: Arizona Cardinals player arrested on domestic violence allegations

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I'm not going to excuse these players action, however I don't see how it is your business, the NFL business or even the Teams business...

    Believe it or not athletes have PERSONAL TIME......
    Uh, wrong post? I was just posting on sutherland talking about some mythical "culture of indifference" when it came to stuff like this...

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    Re: Arizona Cardinals player arrested on domestic violence allegations

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I don't call people totalitarians like you do Mr. Nick.

    I simply report the data and observations and let folks decide.

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    You don't know the first thing about objective observation..... If you did you wouldn't be challenging me.

    This is why I enjoy the word "brainwash."

    You value socially accepted behavior rather than what is right or wrong.

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    Re: Arizona Cardinals player arrested on domestic violence allegations

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    INDIFFERENCE?!?!? Are you kidding me? You either haven't been on this forum the last week or two, Or you haven't checked outside AP's and Rice's house because otherwise you'd see the lynch mobs outside their houses! What Indifference are you talking about?
    Indifference on the part of the NFL, not the media and people in general. The NFL is not a law enforcement agency so I have mixed feelings about their involvement in players' legal issues, although featuring people on the field who have been accused of crimes that the public deems as serious is probably not the greatest thing for the league's image.

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    Re: Arizona Cardinals player arrested on domestic violence allegations

    Quote Originally Posted by aseidner View Post
    Indifference on the part of the NFL, not the media and people in general. The NFL is not a law enforcement agency so I have mixed feelings about their involvement in players' legal issues, although featuring people on the field who have been accused of crimes that the public deems as serious is probably not the greatest thing for the league's image.
    Okay, if that's the culture he's referring to, then that isn't so insane and that's fine, I can at least see that viewpoint.

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    Re: Arizona Cardinals player arrested on domestic violence allegations

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    INDIFFERENCE?!?!? Are you kidding me? You either haven't been on this forum the last week or two, Or you haven't checked outside AP's and Rice's house because otherwise you'd see the lynch mobs outside their houses! What Indifference are you talking about?
    I'm referring to the NFL, not the general public. The general public has been ahead of the league on the issue of combating domestic violence.

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    Re: Arizona Cardinals player arrested on domestic violence allegations

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I'm referring to the NFL, not the general public. The general public has been ahead of the league on the issue of combating domestic violence.
    And like I said above, that's fair, I don't agree with it, but I do think it's fair. I've been of the viewpoint this whole time that the issue was blown out of proportion for two reason:

    1) There is no other reported incidents of Ray Rice being violent or tied to any domestic abuse cases. Real "wife beaters" are habitual, they aren't just one time offenders. And in this day and age, if Ray Rice had sent his wife to the hospital, someone from that hospital would of leaked the incident, or spoken anonymously to TMZ and we'd of known of it.

    2) Not only did the wife go out of his way to stand up for him (not uncommon for domestic abuse victims), but we've also not heard anything from any of her friends. It's easy enough to dismiss the wife's voice, she's a domestic abuse victim and they'll often lie to cover up for their abuser, however that wouldn't prevent her friends from speaking up on her behalf (This is how many domestic abuse cases come to the attention of authorities).

    What those two facts tell me, is that in all likelihood, we just treated a guy who made a an awful mistake (and deserved to be punished with a suspension) but not one that had been made before. Considering he had never done this before, and the wife was so adamant in defending him (again, at this point, I'm not considering her a typical domestic abuse victim in that this hasn't occurred multiple times). If I was Roger Goddell, and I know all the above and I'm listening to Janay Rice who is pleading on her husband's behalf, I don't have a problem with the two game suspension.

    My problem with the NFL has been the frantic reaction to the reaction, which shows a lack of leadership and belief in their convictions.

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