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    WASHINGTON (AP) — Maybe a higher minimum wage isn't so bad for job growth after all.The 13 states that raised their minimum wages at the beginning of this year are adding jobs at a faster pace than those that did not, providing some counter-intuitive fuel to the debate over what impact a higher minimum has on hiring trends.
    Many business groups argue that raising the minimum wage discourages job growth by increasing the cost of hiring. A Congressional Budget Office report earlier this year lent some support for that view. It found that a minimum wage of $10.10 an hour, as President Obama supports, could cost 500,000 jobs nationwide.
    But the state-by-state hiring data, released Friday by the Labor Department, provides ammunition to those who disagree. Economists who support a higher minimum say the figures are encouraging, though they acknowledge they don't establish a cause and effect. There are many possible reasons hiring might accelerate in a particular state.


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    More ammo to those who favor raising the wage. They were told if they raise the wage jobs would be loss, in seems that the opposite is happening. Those states who raised the wage are currently creating more jobs.


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    Re: States with higher minimum wage gain more jobs

    Argh. That is such a stupid red-herring. You can't just look at one factor and go HELL YA! you're all wrong. Economies are complex and there can be many factors that lead to a result. Furthermore, there is many things the government does that encourages and discourages employment that all need to be taken into account before any conclusion on the statistics presented is made.
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    Re: States with higher minimum wage gain more jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    More ammo to those who favor raising the wage. They were told if they raise the wage jobs would be loss, in seems that the opposite is happening. Those states who raised the wage are currently creating more jobs. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    Like the article said, it's too early to draw any trend. For one thing, jobs have been growing everywhere, this isn't a phenomenon isolated to those who have raised wages. From the article:

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    For example, the number of jobs in North Dakota — which didn't raise the minimum wage and has prospered because of a boom in oil and gas drilling — rose 2.8% since the start of this year, the most of any state.

    But job growth in the aging industrial state of Ohio was just 0.7% after its minimum rose to $7.95 from $7.85. The federal minimum wage is $7.25.

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    Re: States with higher minimum wage gain more jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    More ammo to those who favor raising the wage. They were told if they raise the wage jobs would be loss, in seems that the opposite is happening. Those states who raised the wage are currently creating more jobs. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    Correlation does not equal causation.

    Show us the reasons for the increase in jobs and you have a valid argument. But so far all you've shown us is basically two lines on a graph that match. Give me a little time and I'll use the same kind of logic to show that the height of the heels on women's shoes is what causes increases in terrorist attacks.
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    Re: States with higher minimum wage gain more jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    Correlation does not equal causation..
    Never said raising the wage was the cause of the job growth. Stating that it did not cause job losses..


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    Re: States with higher minimum wage gain more jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Never said raising the wage was the cause of the job growth. Stating that it did not cause job losses..
    Even that is unsupported by the data. There are a lot of factors and the MW is just ONE.
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    Re: States with higher minimum wage gain more jobs

    The article is pretty much summed up by it is to early to tell. I would be great to get some solid information on the cause and effects of minimum wage increases.
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    Re: States with higher minimum wage gain more jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Never said raising the wage was the cause of the job growth. Stating that it did not cause job losses..
    The statistic presented does not show that by itself. You're oversimplifying the issue to make the conclusion you want. It could very well be that raising the minimum wage was damaging to employment even if employment overall went up.

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    Re: States with higher minimum wage gain more jobs

    Sorry to drop a "common sense" bomb on this fine attempt to promote the socialist/progressive agenda, but forcing employers to increase the hourly wages they pay certain employees, will not result in an "increase" in job growth. The best possible scenario is that the increase would have little effect on the number of job losses.

    Such an increase will effect mostly kids in high school and college, and won't create a wave of consumer spending that will require companies to engage in any major expansion. The adults the wage effects won't do much either. Even if it increases their wages by .75 cents an hour and they put in 30 to 40 hours a week, after taxes that might be $15 - $20 bucks a week. That's a six-pack and a pack of smokes, or maybe lets them buy a few name brands on their next trip to the grocery store.

    No employers say to themselves "The new minimum wage just kicked in and my labor costs just went up 10%... That's so wonderful that I think I hire more people."

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    Re: States with higher minimum wage gain more jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Sorry to drop a "common sense" bomb on this fine attempt to promote the socialist/progressive agenda, but forcing employers to increase the hourly wages they pay certain employees, will not result in an "increase" in job growth. The best possible scenario is that the increase would have little effect on the number of job losses.

    Such an increase will effect mostly kids in high school and college, and won't create a wave of consumer spending that will require companies to engage in any major expansion. The adults the wage effects won't do much either. Even if it increases their wages by .75 cents an hour and they put in 30 to 40 hours a week, after taxes that might be $15 - $20 bucks a week. That's a six-pack and a pack of smokes, or maybe lets them buy a few name brands on their next trip to the grocery store.

    No employers say to themselves "The new minimum wage just kicked in and my labor costs just went up 10%... That's so wonderful that I think I hire more people."
    Not really. Higher wages likely would cause more spending which can lead to more jobs. In either case you can choose to dismiss the facts but states with higher minimum wages have better employment. And 13 states is good indication. Maybe there is another factor that all 13 of these states shared that the other 37 are missing, but I think that is unlikely. And at the very least, raising the minimum wage doesnt appear to be crippling these states like so many predicted.
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