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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Are these Islamic State centers, or are we at the point that all Muslims are terrorists?
    Until I see proof, I'm not going to differentiate.

    That chart was from 2002....before ISIS
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Yep...no need for concern.

    About Bare Naked Islam, the source of that map:
    "Islam is NOT a religion of peace, nor does Islam mean peace. Islam means submission.
    Most people are simply unaware that Islam is NOT just another religion but a totalitarian political cult-like ideology, which compels its followers into blind obedience, teaches intolerance, brutality and locks all Muslims and non-Muslims in a struggle deriving directly from the 7th century nomadic, predatory, Bedouin culture.....
    In Islam, one is considered “moderate” if one supports the goals of jihad, if not the tactics. Those who totally reject the violent teachings of Islam are considered apostates of Islam and as such, are condemned to death....."

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    HD, you have some really ..... interesting views on the world. Calling the NYT, the same newspaper that ran with the ad "General Petraeus or General Betray US?"
    Have not read the succeeding posts yet, but your second 'sentence' above is not really a sentence, so the thought you were trying to convey is incomplete.

    Yes, my views are notably politically incorrect, to be sure. That said, I liked very much the General Betrayus moniker, more for the sound than for any factual qualities. I thoroughly enjoyed the video taken last year or so as the former General was walking to his new job as college professor in NYC and was properly harassed by some young protestors.

    NYT serves the interests of the power elite, however one chooses to describe them. They favor the status quo for the most part, and have for years, whether the subject is drug policy or war policy. Their not publishing Risen's story in 2003 was the final straw for me with that paper. They are but a propaganda organ for the government.

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Comical. The New York Times is the Bible of liberalism.
    Yes, it's funny how both liberals and conservatives in government got onboard with FISA II to give immunity to telecoms for their crimes assisting the NSA with wiretaps. Even the Great Liberal Barack, then Senator.

    That Great Liberal Bastion NYT holds Risen's story in reserve until after the election, which the supposed "liberal" (Kerry?) lost.

    Labels are usually misleading and counterproductive to rational analysis.

    My point is that NYT supports the status quo, whether war or drugs or virtually any other major issue, and if the status quo happens to be gathering personal information in violation of the Fourth Amendment, so be it.

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Have not read the succeeding posts yet, but your second 'sentence' above is not really a sentence, so the thought you were trying to convey is incomplete.

    Yes, my views are notably politically incorrect, to be sure. That said, I liked very much the General Betrayus moniker, more for the sound than for any factual qualities. I thoroughly enjoyed the video taken last year or so as the former General was walking to his new job as college professor in NYC and was properly harassed by some young protestors.

    NYT serves the interests of the power elite, however one chooses to describe them. They favor the status quo for the most part, and have for years, whether the subject is drug policy or war policy. Their not publishing Risen's story in 2003 was the final straw for me with that paper. They are but a propaganda organ for the government.
    Huh so I didn't. My point was that they (NYT) were the ones that carried the aid "General Betray US". I wouldn't call the paper that ran us a mouthpiece for Neo-cons. That wasn't exactly supportive of the War in Iraq... now was it?

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Why do people keep bringing this up? Is the fact that we supported them 30 years ago suppose to excuse what they are doing now? Are we just suppose to roll over and take whatever attacks they commit without retaliation?
    Apparently so. There are always plenty of people who will try and justify terrorist attacks against America, and it was the same during the Cold War as well. Their brains have been carefully washed.

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Yes, it's funny how both liberals and conservatives in government got onboard with FISA II to give immunity to telecoms for their crimes assisting the NSA with wiretaps. Even the Great Liberal Barack, then Senator.

    That Great Liberal Bastion NYT holds Risen's story in reserve until after the election, which the supposed "liberal" (Kerry?) lost.

    Labels are usually misleading and counterproductive to rational analysis.

    My point is that NYT supports the status quo, whether war or drugs or virtually any other major issue, and if the status quo happens to be gathering personal information in violation of the Fourth Amendment, so be it.
    Uh, I can't find the story you are referring to, but I have found a lot of anti-war stories he posted, like one where "James Risen of The New York Times, using recently disclosed State Department documents, has written a bombshell-of-a-story chronicling how Blackwater's top manager threatened to kill the U.S. government's chief investigator in 2007, thus thwarting an investigation into Blackwater's operations just weeks before the company's guards massacred 17 Iraqi civilians." Exposing Blackwater was a pretty big thing wasn't it? A blow against the war and PMC and the like... I thought you'd love that sort of thing.

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Huh so I didn't. My point was that they (NYT) were the ones that carried the aid "General Betray US". I wouldn't call the paper that ran us a mouthpiece for Neo-cons. That wasn't exactly supportive of the War in Iraq... now was it?
    Oh, they can change their official position from time to time, and that's good. And they will not often turn down revenue for ads bought by people with opposing views.

    To find the true answer I suppose, we would have to interview Judith Miller, eh? Or James Risen?

    To me, actions speak louder than words. Of course the newspaper is in the business of words, but those paying attention can also judge the more substantive actions. Covering up the crimes of government is what I consider to be a substantive action.

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Oh, they can change their official position from time to time, and that's good. And they will not often turn down revenue for ads bought by people with opposing views.

    To find the true answer I suppose, we would have to interview Judith Miller, eh? Or James Risen?

    To me, actions speak louder than words. Of course the newspaper is in the business of words, but those paying attention can also judge the more substantive actions. Covering up the crimes of government is what I consider to be a substantive action.
    I'm just saying, your kind of throwing out the baby with the bathwater here. On the whole though, the NYT has been the most prominent anti-war paper. Anti-war doesn't equal Neo-con is what I'm saying. That was what you said wasn't it? That the NYT was neo-con?

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I'm just saying, your kind of throwing out the baby with the bathwater here. On the whole though, the NYT has been the most prominent anti-war paper. Anti-war doesn't equal Neo-con is what I'm saying. That was what you said wasn't it? That the NYT was neo-con?
    That is certainly fair criticism.

    Yes, I am a cynical bastard, no doubt.

    I have no respect (or very damn little) for the paper.

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