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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well not the ones in the US.....and not just Muslims. Terrorists, and those affiliated with them. Those in the US can be dealt with in many different ways. Those overseas....need to be hunted down. Requires the will and working with Card Blanche from Governments. Or from certain governments.
    He bud, We won't be hunting down and killing them, they are our ally's. As I've been pointing out all along, decades of support of militant Islamic groups has produced the ME we see today.

    The program leaned heavily towards supporting militant Islamic groups that were favored by neighboring Pakistan, rather than other, less ideological Afghan resistance groups.

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Perhaps one should throw all the rhetoric aside coming from the two parties. Listen to what exactly ISIS is saying they are going to do. Then assess in your own mind if it is feasible, possible. Keep in mind the rhetoric coming from the two parties are usually polar opposite and on the other side of the spectrum from each other. That usually the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

    Personally I would say if ISIS or any other terrorist wanted to enter the U.S. illegally they could do so rather easily. The border with Mexico is just one avenue, there is also the border to the north and entering by sea is also fairly easy. Keep in mind that if there is the will, they is always a way. Even entering legally through student visas, tourist visas, etc.
    Too true, how many of the 9/11 terrorist had expired visas?

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    He bud, We won't be hunting down and killing them, they are our ally's. As I've been pointing out all along, decades of support of militant Islamic groups has produced the ME we see today.

    The program leaned heavily towards supporting militant Islamic groups that were favored by neighboring Pakistan, rather than other, less ideological Afghan resistance groups.

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    Why do people keep bringing this up? Is the fact that we supported them 30 years ago suppose to excuse what they are doing now? Are we just suppose to roll over and take whatever attacks they commit without retaliation?

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Too true, how many of the 9/11 terrorist had expired visas?
    I am not sure, but from what I read all of them were here legally. Either their visa were still valid or they had expired.
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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I am not sure, but from what I read all of them were here legally. Either their visa were still valid or they had expired.
    State Dept. Lapses Aided 9/11 Hijackers

    "This is a systemic problem," said Nikolai Wenzel, a former U.S. consular officer. "It's a problem of sloppiness, it's a problem of negligence which I would call criminal negligence because obviously, having reviewed all these applications, there is a pattern here."

    The pattern? None of the 15 applications reviewed was filled out properly.

    Brothers Wail and Waleed al Shehri applied together in October 2000. Under "occupation" Wail wrote "teater;" brother Waleed claimed "student." The name and address of alleged employer and school was listed as "South City," and the questionable U.S. destination named as "Wasantwn."

    Visas approved.

    Abdulaziz Alomari claimed to be a student but didn't name a school; claimed to be married but didn't name a spouse; under nationality and gender, he didn't list anything.

    Visa approved.

    Three months later, Alomari followed his friend Mohamed Atta through airport security … heading for the World Trade Center.

    Khalid Al Mihdhar, who helped crash the plane into the Pentagon, simply listed "Hotel" as his U.S. destination — no name, no city, no state — but no problem getting a visa.

    Just One Had a Slight Delay

    Hani Hanjour, who also was on the plane that hit the Pentagon, had only a slight delay in acquiring his visa. A consulate employee flagged Hanjour's first application, noting that Hanjour wanted to "visit" for three years, although the legal limit is two. When Hanjour returned two weeks later, he simply changed the form to read "one year".

    Visa approved.

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Why do people keep bringing this up? Is the fact that we supported them 30 years ago suppose to excuse what they are doing now? Are we just suppose to roll over and take whatever attacks they commit without retaliation?
    No, that's just to point out HOW LONG we've been doing this, need more recent examples? The Obama administration supported the Muslim Brotherhood against Mubarak in Egypt, used al Qaeda in Libya to help overthrow Gaddafi, and has supported the AQ, MB, Al Nusra infested syrian opposition forces fighting Assad. Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad, all contained militant Islamic groups, and they're gone.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, that's just to point out HOW LONG we've been doing this, need more recent examples? The Obama administration supported the Muslim Brotherhood against Mubarak in Egypt, used al Qaeda in Libya to help overthrow Gaddafi, and has supported the AQ, MB, Al Nusra infested syrian opposition forces fighting Assad. Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad, all contained militant Islamic groups, and they're gone.
    And all that I agree with, which is why I've become far more cynical when it comes to the idea that Arabs can govern themselves. I think the fatal flaw in American Foreign Policy is believing in the goodwill and good nature of all human beings. Say what you want about the Russians, (and believe me I can) at least they recognize that it's better to keep them under the jack boot then allow them free will. I just hate when people bring up the Al Qaeda deal with the 1980's because they leave out the fact that their enemy just so happened to be the Soviet Union. I very much doubt Reagan would of signed off on supporting them, had he of known that 20 years later, they'd come back to attack the homeland.

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    He bud, We won't be hunting down and killing them, they are our ally's. As I've been pointing out all along, decades of support of militant Islamic groups has produced the ME we see today.

    The program leaned heavily towards supporting militant Islamic groups that were favored by neighboring Pakistan, rather than other, less ideological Afghan resistance groups.

    Operation Cyclone

    It wasn't so much with what was favored toward Pakistan.


    In Honor of the Syrian Rebels

    In the past, United States officials saw the Islamist groups’ abundant resources as the main draw for recruits, said Steven Heydemann, a senior adviser at the United States Institute of Peace, which works with the State Department.

    The strategy is based on the current assessment that popular appeal of these groups is transactional, not ideological, and that opportunities exist to peel people away by providing alternative support and resources,” he said. Mr. Heydemann acknowledged, however, that the current momentum toward radicalism could be hard to reverse.....snip~

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/28/wo...nted=all&_r=1&

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle...-w-90-a-2.html

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    State Dept. Lapses Aided 9/11 Hijackers

    "This is a systemic problem," said Nikolai Wenzel, a former U.S. consular officer. "It's a problem of sloppiness, it's a problem of negligence which I would call criminal negligence because obviously, having reviewed all these applications, there is a pattern here."

    The pattern? None of the 15 applications reviewed was filled out properly.

    Brothers Wail and Waleed al Shehri applied together in October 2000. Under "occupation" Wail wrote "teater;" brother Waleed claimed "student." The name and address of alleged employer and school was listed as "South City," and the questionable U.S. destination named as "Wasantwn."

    Visas approved.

    Abdulaziz Alomari claimed to be a student but didn't name a school; claimed to be married but didn't name a spouse; under nationality and gender, he didn't list anything.

    Visa approved.

    Three months later, Alomari followed his friend Mohamed Atta through airport security … heading for the World Trade Center.

    Khalid Al Mihdhar, who helped crash the plane into the Pentagon, simply listed "Hotel" as his U.S. destination — no name, no city, no state — but no problem getting a visa.

    Just One Had a Slight Delay

    Hani Hanjour, who also was on the plane that hit the Pentagon, had only a slight delay in acquiring his visa. A consulate employee flagged Hanjour's first application, noting that Hanjour wanted to "visit" for three years, although the legal limit is two. When Hanjour returned two weeks later, he simply changed the form to read "one year".

    Visa approved.
    Yep. Pretty easy to get into the country isn't it? The State Department has always been lax on security. Not only in what you listed in your post, but also in physical and communications security or I suppose they call it IT today.
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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Why is it odd coming from NYT?

    That is the same outfit that covered up the NSA dirty work being performed by telecoms back in 2003, and that coverup allowed Bush to be re-elected.

    NYT is just another mouthpiece for the neocons that still control the government. Their role is to fear monger, and that's what this story is.
    Comical. The New York Times is the Bible of liberalism.

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