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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Maybe ISIS will come from Canada. It's possible.

    There's really no way to keep them out unless we close the borders entirely. The Sept. 11 hijackers entered the country legally. Presumably they answered "no" when asked if they were terrorists.
    That would be my guess as well.

    If I were a terrorist wanting to get into the US today, I'd definitely come through Canada. The US/Canada border in the northern part of NH is just a vast mass of forest. There is a border crossing but last time I was there this winter they had 1 guy working it, and he looked like we has just woken him up from a nap when we came back in.

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Two major issues I have with this list that I believe should be pointed out.

    First off, I'm curious when they say Al Qaeda, how many per group are they referring to? In the case of Boston, I'm assuming that they are just referring to those two guys that were responsible for the Marathon Bombing. If that is the case, that issue has been resolved. In fact, It's important to note that this list contains not just current groups, but "recent". And by recent, we mean they've already been caught and dealt with. And by the way, those two kids with the Marathon thing, didn't come from Mexico.

    Second, Over half the list deals with organizations that as well as having a militant arm, also have a political wing as well; that being Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Muslim Brotherhood. The people involved in these organizations, at least in the US, have never been connected with a terrorist attack on the mainland, and thus it's unfair to label them as "militant". There are many things that these organizations, namely bring light to the Arab side of the story in the Israeli conflict, which make no mistake, their are villains on both side. As long as they remain peaceful in the US, they have just as much right to protest and bring light to issues people in the West Bank and elsewhere face.



    Emerson is a well-known Islamaphob.... I mean author on Islamic extremism. He's written like five books on the subject.

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    Well.....they may have political wings. But if they are MB or Hamas. Then they are Terrorists and support terrorism. The American people should be about running these clowns out of the country. Uhm.....I mean, does not the horse know where to find water. Yet None can make it drink any.

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/16/us...om-mexico.html



    Very odd headline from the New York Times. The "U.S." is not pushing back against the warnings. Democrats are. And the first paragraph states that ISIS has travelled across the border as fact, with no attribution.

    I suppose the NY Times does not want to appear in contrast with its beloved president and party, but obviously, their information contradicts what Democrats are saying.

    Nevertheless, this is concerning to say the least.
    Like any type of criminal the ISIS can rent an office in most countries, if it puts an other name on the plate. There are lots of these guys in the USA, France or Indonesia and anywhere else they find help. Mexico has never seemed a home to radical Islam to me, though. I would think the infrastructure was poor. But their law enforcement might be bad enough to compensate.

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Two major issues I have with this list that I believe should be pointed out.

    First off, I'm curious when they say Al Qaeda, how many per group are they referring to? In the case of Boston, I'm assuming that they are just referring to those two guys that were responsible for the Marathon Bombing. If that is the case, that issue has been resolved. In fact, It's important to note that this list contains not just current groups, but "recent". And by recent, we mean they've already been caught and dealt with. And by the way, those two kids with the Marathon thing, didn't come from Mexico.

    Second, Over half the list deals with organizations that as well as having a militant arm, also have a political wing as well; that being Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Muslim Brotherhood. The people involved in these organizations, at least in the US, have never been connected with a terrorist attack on the mainland, and thus it's unfair to label them as "militant". There are many things that these organizations, namely bring light to the Arab side of the story in the Israeli conflict, which make no mistake, their are villains on both side. As long as they remain peaceful in the US, they have just as much right to protest and bring light to issues people in the West Bank and elsewhere face.



    Emerson is a well-known Islamaphob.... I mean author on Islamic extremism. He's written like five books on the subject.
    My point is, as with anyone else wanting to enter this country illegally, there are already people/groups here to expedite the procedure. There are already those people here who have connections with and support foreign terrorists organizations.

    As we know [from our government] there are at least 500 or more American citizens (with passports) who are fighting in the ME.

    If we don't remain vigilant, strikes here on our soil are inevitable.

    ISIS is already exhorting it's supporters here in the US to bomb Times Sq. etc.

    ISIS threatens to attack U.S. tourist destinations like New York's Times Square | Mail Online
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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin' H.Buddha. <<<<< Hits gong.



    Well.....they may have political wings. But if they are MB or Hamas. Then they are Terrorists and support terrorism. The American people should be about running these clowns out of the country. Uhm.....I mean, does not the horse know where to find water. Yet None can make it drink any.
    I think we have to do a better job of defining just who our enemies are in this case. Say what you will for MB, Hamas or Hezbollah, they have for confined their violence to the ME and not gone international like other outfits (Al Qaeda). Those three organization maybe defined as terrorist as they do attack civilian targets, but arbitrarily making them an enemy is only going to add more fuel to the fire, and if we start going after them, puts us in the potential firing line. We already have enough enemies on this planet, I say we let these guys do as they may. After all, in the later two cases, they've been around for over 30 years and haven't attacked us have they? If it was really part of their plans, I think they would of done so before now...

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    My point is, as with anyone else wanting to enter this country illegally, there are already people/groups here to expedite the procedure. There are already those people here who have connections with and support foreign terrorists organizations.

    As we know [from our government] there are at least 500 or more American citizens (with passports) who are fighting in the ME.

    If we don't remain vigilant, strikes here on our soil are inevitable.

    ISIS is already exhorting it's supporters here in the US to bomb Times Sq. etc.

    ISIS threatens to attack U.S. tourist destinations like New York's Times Square | Mail Online
    Like I said above, if they are not our enemy, then we shouldn't go around kicking over hornet nests when we don't need to. Besides, terrorism has evolved today to the point where these organizations are meaningless. The last several attacks on the homeland (Boston and Ft. Hood come to mind) were carried out by individuals who weren't affiliated with any organization. The sad truth of the matter is, that the next terrorist attack will come without warning, and from someone who's only commonality with previous terrorist attacks is that their Muslim. Short of rounding up all Muslims, I don't see anything we can do to stop it.

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I think we have to do a better job of defining just who our enemies are in this case. Say what you will for MB, Hamas or Hezbollah, they have for confined their violence to the ME and not gone international like other outfits (Al Qaeda). Those three organization maybe defined as terrorist as they do attack civilian targets, but arbitrarily making them an enemy is only going to add more fuel to the fire, and if we start going after them, puts us in the potential firing line. We already have enough enemies on this planet, I say we let these guys do as they may. After all, in the later two cases, they've been around for over 30 years and haven't attacked us have they? If it was really part of their plans, I think they would of done so before now...



    Like I said above, if they are not our enemy, then we shouldn't go around kicking over hornet nests when we don't need to. Besides, terrorism has evolved today to the point where these organizations are meaningless. The last several attacks on the homeland (Boston and Ft. Hood come to mind) were carried out by individuals who weren't affiliated with any organization. The sad truth of the matter is, that the next terrorist attack will come without warning, and from someone who's only commonality with previous terrorist attacks is that their Muslim. Short of rounding up all Muslims, I don't see anything we can do to stop it.


    Well the MB has caused us several problems. They understand what will happen to them if they attacked us. Same with Hamas and Hezbollah.

    AQ and some others haven't learned that lesson.....yet. Some Napalm will help them to see the Light. Just sayin.

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well the MB has caused us several problems. They understand what will happen to them if they attacked us. Same with Hamas and Hezbollah.

    AQ and some others haven't learned that lesson.....yet. Some Napalm will help them to see the Light. Just sayin.
    You want to start bombing Muslims in the US with Napalm? I know that's not what you meant but, considering my last sentence was "Short of rounding up all Muslims, I don't see anything we can do to stop it", it doesn't look quite right...

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    You want to start bombing Muslims in the US with Napalm? I know that's not what you meant but, considering my last sentence was "Short of rounding up all Muslims, I don't see anything we can do to stop it", it doesn't look quite right...
    Well not the ones in the US.....and not just Muslims. Terrorists, and those affiliated with them. Those in the US can be dealt with in many different ways. Those overseas....need to be hunted down. Requires the will and working with Card Blanche from Governments. Or from certain governments.

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    So, why are State governors getting a free pass as commanders in chief of what is necessary to the security of a free State?

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well not the ones in the US.....and not just Muslims. Terrorists, and those affiliated with them. Those in the US can be dealt with in many different ways. Those overseas....need to be hunted down. Requires the will and working with Card Blanche from Governments. Or from certain governments.
    If the problem could be solved with explosives, then don't you think the approximate 80,000 tonnes of explosives would of done the trick (That's the approximate amount used during the entirety of the Iraq War)

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