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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    There are more Muslims in Canada than Mexico and the Canadian border is basically unguarded for the most part.. so why not fear them coming in from Canada?
    There's the real reason and the politically given reason. Which do you prefer?

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/16/us...om-mexico.html



    Very odd headline from the New York Times. The "U.S." is not pushing back against the warnings. Democrats are. And the first paragraph states that ISIS has travelled across the border as fact, with no attribution.

    I suppose the NY Times does not want to appear in contrast with its beloved president and party, but obviously, their information contradicts what Democrats are saying.

    Nevertheless, this is concerning to say the least.

    Heya Erod. Here is some more from back on Aug 29th.


    Report: ISIS Studying Mexican Border.....

    A new report obtained by Fox News from the Texas Department of Public Safety indicates that elements of ISIS are interested in the U.S.-Mexico border as a means of entry into the United States. As Fox News' Jana Winter reports:

    “A review of ISIS social media messaging during the week ending August 26 shows that militants are expressing an increased interest in the notion that they could clandestinely infiltrate the southwest border of US, for terror attack,” warns the Texas Department of Public Safety "situational awareness" bulletin, obtained by FoxNews.com. .....snip~

    Report: ISIS Studying Mexican Border - Kevin Glass

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    [COLOR="#800000"]“A review of ISIS social media messaging during the week ending August 26 shows that militants are expressing an increased interest in the notion that they could clandestinely infiltrate the southwest border of US, for terror attack,” warns the Texas Department of Public Safety "situational awareness" bulletin, obtained by FoxNews.com...;
    OH MY GOD!!! EVERYONE PANIC!!!

    I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. ISIL is a little too busy getting bombed right now to figure out how to send people to Nicaragua so they can sneak into Mexico so they can sneak into the US.

    The reality is:

    - No country can hermetically seal its borders. It's just not possible. E.g. Israel has one of the most effective military forces in the world, and the border with Gaza Strip has fences, sensors, cameras, you name it. Yet the Palestinians were still able to dig dozens of tunnels right under the fence, and when the time came, popped out and fired rockets at Israeli civilians.
    - The last batch of terrorists who did major damage to the US just flew in, using tourist visas.
    - There's a lot more domestic threat than people usually acknowledge or remember. The Boston Marathon bombers, Tim McVeigh, the Unabomber, and Weather Underground didn't need passports.
    - Islamic State are adept at using social media. They're pushing your buttons... and you're letting them. Nice.

    The "zomg ISIL is coming from the South!!!" is a bunch of BS that a few right-wing ideologues are seizing on for their own ends. Fretting over it is not going to make the US one iota safer.

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    OH MY GOD!!! EVERYONE PANIC!!!

    I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. ISIL is a little too busy getting bombed right now to figure out how to send people to Nicaragua so they can sneak into Mexico so they can sneak into the US.

    The reality is:

    - No country can hermetically seal its borders. It's just not possible. E.g. Israel has one of the most effective military forces in the world, and the border with Gaza Strip has fences, sensors, cameras, you name it. Yet the Palestinians were still able to dig dozens of tunnels right under the fence, and when the time came, popped out and fired rockets at Israeli civilians.
    - The last batch of terrorists who did major damage to the US just flew in, using tourist visas.
    - There's a lot more domestic threat than people usually acknowledge or remember. The Boston Marathon bombers, Tim McVeigh, the Unabomber, and Weather Underground didn't need passports.
    - Islamic State are adept at using social media. They're pushing your buttons... and you're letting them. Nice.

    The "zomg ISIL is coming from the South!!!" is a bunch of BS that a few right-wing ideologues are seizing on for their own ends. Fretting over it is not going to make the US one iota safer.

    Oh were you screaming out for help? Don't worry lil fella.....if I see something on the horizon that you need panic about. I'll let you know.

    So were you trying to say they haven't spread or don't put out propaganda.

    Can you explain why BO Peeps Military peeps said the US Southern Border was able to be breached by any terrorists?

    Damn.....just why is it that anybody who is somebody. Just doesn't think it is ridiculous?

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Erm. You see no distinction between DHS, FBI, and legislators who live on the border from "Democrats?" You do know that a lot of those legislators are Republican, right?

    The idea that Islamic State is going to invade via Mexico is ridiculous, as was the idea that Hezbollah or Hamas was going to do the same. It's scare-mongering, not a genuine cause for concern.
    Than why did the New York Times say so?

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Than why did the New York Times say so?

    Well there is BO's Head of Southern Command.....he rarely finds it ridiculous. Do you think the Marine Corp General was panicking?



    Marine Corps General John Kelly, Head of U.S. Southern Command, Says Border Security an “Existential” Threat to the U.S. Main Stream Media Ignores Him.....

    Breaking a trend of abysmally PC military leadership, the head of U.S. Southern Command recently dropped a bomb on the open borders crowd. Border security is now an “existential” threat to the country, according to the commander of U.S. Southern Command, Marine Corps Gen. John F. Kelly.....snip~

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/marine...ia-ignores-him

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    "But the Homeland Security Department, the F.B.I. and lawmakers who represent areas near the border say there is no truth to the warnings.

    President Obama on Wednesday in Washington. Mr. Obama says he is aware of the “political price” he pays for being deliberate.Paths to War, Then and Now, Haunt ObamaSEPT. 13, 2014
    Secretary of State John Kerry and Sameh Shoukry, the Egyptian foreign minister, in Cairo.Kerry Scours Mideast for Aid in ISIS FightSEPT. 13, 2014

    Mr. Assad in July, after being sworn in for his third term as president.Syrian Leaders See Opportunities and Risks in U.S. Striking ISIS on Their SoilSEPT. 14, 2014

    President Obama used a prime-time address on Wednesday evening to explain to Americans his strategy for confronting the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.Obama, in Speech on ISIS, Promises Sustained Effort to Rout MilitantsSEPT. 10, 2014

    “There is no credible intelligence to suggest that there is an active plot by ISIL to attempt to cross the southern border,” Homeland Security officials said in a written statement, using an alternative acronym for the group."


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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    "But the Homeland Security Department, the F.B.I. and lawmakers who represent areas near the border say there is no truth to the warnings.

    President Obama on Wednesday in Washington. Mr. Obama says he is aware of the “political price” he pays for being deliberate.Paths to War, Then and Now, Haunt ObamaSEPT. 13, 2014
    Secretary of State John Kerry and Sameh Shoukry, the Egyptian foreign minister, in Cairo.Kerry Scours Mideast for Aid in ISIS FightSEPT. 13, 2014

    Mr. Assad in July, after being sworn in for his third term as president.Syrian Leaders See Opportunities and Risks in U.S. Striking ISIS on Their SoilSEPT. 14, 2014

    President Obama used a prime-time address on Wednesday evening to explain to Americans his strategy for confronting the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.Obama, in Speech on ISIS, Promises Sustained Effort to Rout MilitantsSEPT. 10, 2014

    “There is no credible intelligence to suggest that there is an active plot by ISIL to attempt to cross the southern border,” Homeland Security officials said in a written statement, using an alternative acronym for the group."

    How did Fox news get a Report from the Texas Dept of Public Safety, who picked up what the Terrorists were saying on social media then?

    Uhm.....if they are studying maps of the US Border and looking into the Problems with Mexico on the border.....how can DHS say they are not plotting? Or that there is no credible intel?

    Was DHS hoping for suggestions from ISIS?

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    [COLOR="#800000"]So were you trying to say they haven't spread or don't put out propaganda.
    I'm saying ISIL is very good at propaganda... which is all that this is. And you're falling for it.


    Can you explain why BO Peeps Military peeps said the US Southern Border was able to be breached by any terrorists? Damn.....just why is it that anybody who is somebody. Just doesn't think it is ridiculous?
    "Everybody" apparently doesn't include the FBI, DHS, and counterterrorism experts.

    "We don't have any credible information, that we are aware of, of known or suspected terrorists coming across the border," said Jennifer Lasley, a senior official in the Department of Homeland Security's intelligence and analysis office.

    "The number of known watch-listed persons we are encountering on the Southwest border is minimal compared to commercial aviation," said John Wagner, assistant commissioner in the U.S. Customs and Border Patrol's Office of Field Operations. "We're talking tens versus thousands."


    ISIS Terrorists Not Sneaking Over U.S. Southern Border With Mexico, DHS Officials Tell Congress | Fox News Latino


    Well there is BO's Head of Southern Command.....he rarely finds it ridiculous. Do you think the Marine Corp General was panicking?
    I think he was talking in February about how the insatiable demand for drugs by American citizens has set up a smuggler's network that is causing problems in the US... while trying to get his budget increased. Using his comments to suggest that ISIL is actually planning to enter the US via Mexico is, to put it mildly, a distortion of his comments.

    http://www.southcom.mil/newsroom/Doc..._FINAL_PDF.pdf

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    [COLOR="#800000"] Was DHS hoping for suggestions from ISIS?
    While congress dithers with hearings, ISIL continues to act.
    Does that help m?
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