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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Huh so I didn't. My point was that they (NYT) were the ones that carried the aid "General Betray US". I wouldn't call the paper that ran us a mouthpiece for Neo-cons. That wasn't exactly supportive of the War in Iraq... now was it?
    Many publications carry adverts promoting political positions contrary to the publication's editorial positions. It means little, accept a respect for allowing diverse opinions to be heard.

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I'm just saying, your kind of throwing out the baby with the bathwater here. On the whole though, the NYT has been the most prominent anti-war paper. Anti-war doesn't equal Neo-con is what I'm saying. That was what you said wasn't it? That the NYT was neo-con?
    Thomas Friedman, Position At The Time Of Iraq Invasion: New York Times columnist. [NYTimes.com, accessed 3/19/13] Friedman Supported Iraq War Invasion, Though Had Serious Reservations About Bush Administration Tactics And Planning.

    Bill Keller, Position At The Time Of Iraq Invasion: Keller served as an op-ed columnist and senior writer for The New York Times from 2001-2003, then became its executive editor in July 2003. [NYTimes.com, accessed 3/19/13] Keller Served As "A Leading 'Liberal Hawk' Backing The Invasion Of Iraq.

    Judith Miller, Position At The Time Of Iraq Invasion: New York Times investigative reporter. [New York Times, 11/9/05] Miller Produced A Series Of Now-Debunked Reports That Saddam Hussein Had WMD. As Franklin Foer wrote for New York magazine:

    Where Are The Media's Iraq War Boosters 10 Years Later? | Research | Media Matters for America

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

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    Thomas Friedman, Position At The Time Of Iraq Invasion: New York Times columnist. [NYTimes.com, accessed 3/19/13] Friedman Supported Iraq War Invasion, Though Had Serious Reservations About Bush Administration Tactics And Planning.

    Bill Keller, Position At The Time Of Iraq Invasion: Keller served as an op-ed columnist and senior writer for The New York Times from 2001-2003, then became its executive editor in July 2003. [NYTimes.com, accessed 3/19/13] Keller Served As "A Leading 'Liberal Hawk' Backing The Invasion Of Iraq.

    Judith Miller, Position At The Time Of Iraq Invasion: New York Times investigative reporter. [New York Times, 11/9/05] Miller Produced A Series Of Now-Debunked Reports That Saddam Hussein Had WMD. As Franklin Foer wrote for New York magazine:

    Where Are The Media's Iraq War Boosters 10 Years Later? | Research | Media Matters for America
    It's misleading to talk about their position at the beginning of the war, because that was a different time.

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Read the first paragraph of the story. It attributes no one.
    ; )
    In the sentence,
    "As the Obama administration and the American public have focused their attention on ISIS in recent weeks, conservative groups and leading Republicans have issued stark warnings like those that ISIS and other extremists from Syria are planning to enter the country illegally from Mexico,"
    what does the word "those" refer to?

    Last edited by Simon W. Moon; 09-17-14 at 07:18 PM.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Until I see proof, I'm not going to differentiate.

    That chart was from 2002....before ISIS
    2002? There was a caliphate before WW1, and they've been trying to get one back ever since, and US policy in the Middle East over the last couple decades has provided them with the best shot at it that they've had yet.
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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    It's misleading to talk about their position at the beginning of the war, because that was a different time.
    Nearly everyone was opposed to the war a few years later when it became clear that there were no WMDs, the war was not achieving its goals and it was likely to drag on for a long time. Even Bush II arranged for the USA's withdrawal from Iraq. For the most part, only genuine liberals and a few libertarians had the knowledge, intelligence and guts to oppose the war from the beginning. It was opposed by publications like the Nation, the Progressive and Mother Jones. Despite its liberal reputation, the NY Times is, and was, a large corporation with a pro-establishment centrist orientation.

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    2002? There was a caliphate before WW1, and they've been trying to get one back ever since, and US policy in the Middle East over the last couple decades has provided them with the best shot at it that they've had yet.
    So Muslims are Mulims no matter when? Don't forget that Poco Harem declared their own in Africa.
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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Nearly everyone was opposed to the war a few years later when it became clear that there were no WMDs, the war was not achieving its goals and it was likely to drag on for a long time. Even Bush II arranged for the USA's withdrawal from Iraq. For the most part, only genuine liberals and a few libertarians had the knowledge, intelligence and guts to oppose the war from the beginning. It was opposed by publications like the Nation, the Progressive and Mother Jones. Despite its liberal reputation, the NY Times is, and was, a large corporation with a pro-establishment centrist orientation.
    I'm not going to re-argue the Iraq War, but I will say that just because the newspaper supported the Iraq War (though, I'm sure you could also find some writers from there who opposed it, one being the Miller guy we were referring to earlier) doesn't mean there not a liberal newspaper. This may be hard for you to do, but try to see the world as it was through their eyes; at that time, everyone knew that Saddam had WMDs and we all knew that Saddam was a strategic enemy in the world. After 9/11, there were a lot of people, that weren't willing to sit around and wait, and hope that Saddam wouldn't try to export his WMDs. A lot of people that might of been opposed to the war, were willing to side with it under these circumstances.

    However, that doesn't change the fact that they were still very critical of the war effort, almost the moment after the statue had fell. Even in the post you mentioned, it talked how Thomas Friedman had his trepidation. And keep in mind, these are the people that broke the Blackwater Scandal. These are the people that Wikileak went through to release the Afghan and Iraq War Tapes, and the Diplomatic Cables. And These are also the guys that were the go to guys with the exposure of the NSA activities. I'm sorry, if you are pro-establishment, you don't rock the boat this damn much. I get it that they disagreed with you on ONE issue, that doesn't mean their not liberal, it just means their human. And by the way, if you were to rewind time and give them the option, NONE of them would go down that road twice. The real neocons, the ones that really did want this war, are the ones out there still defending it today but instead talking about it as a campaign of liberation.

    They may not be as far left as you want, but that don't mean their not left of center. However, if you rather not be objective, then I suppose everyone is to the right of you, and in that case, oh well.

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    What people don't realize is that their "big heart" is transporting drugs, guns, people and terrorists and street gangs.

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    Re: U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Nearly everyone was opposed to the war a few years later when it became clear that there were no WMDs, the war was not achieving its goals and it was likely to drag on for a long time. Even Bush II arranged for the USA's withdrawal from Iraq. For the most part, only genuine liberals and a few libertarians had the knowledge, intelligence and guts to oppose the war from the beginning. It was opposed by publications like the Nation, the Progressive and Mother Jones. Despite its liberal reputation, the NY Times is, and was, a large corporation with a pro-establishment centrist orientation.
    Of course the Iraq war was about a great deal more than WMD's, but the Democrats and their supporters eventually made it exclusively about WMD's. The Democrats shifted their position for political gain and of course it worked. Now we have the Iraq we have today and none of those who were for it before they were against it know what the hell to do about it.

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