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Obama to send 3,000 troops to Ebola danger zone

Mr. Invisible said:
The US generally militarizes everything. I mean, just look at what occurred after the earthquake in Haiti. We militarized the aid.
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Ike warned about the Military Industrial Complex getting out of control 60 years ago....
 
apdst said:
They'll have to be quarantened for an appropriate period, before they come home.
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And what if one of these guys does get Ebola and dies? What then? Oh well?

Typical dumb idea from our dumb President.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
The US generally militarizes everything. I mean, just look at what occurred after the earthquake in Haiti. We militarized the aid.
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Because it's the best tool for the job? Unless you know of a corps of engineers, medics, nurses, doctors, traffic controllers, security guards, communications experts, etc that are ready to be nationalized en masse every time they need to be deployed (and have the attendant heavy equipment to boot) I'm not sure what else would possibly fit the bill.
 
ecofarm said:
I don't believe racism is the same thing as racial bigotry; a social construct must be defined by social factors and not merely the action of an individual. The context should at least be national when examining social dynamics, so as to accommodate the ability to move away from non-systemic privilege.
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regardless of the terminology, as time goes on, racists have less and less control of the national direction and societal development. my hope is that this leads to racism becoming more and more rare, but i'm afraid that there might be an instinctive element to it. for tens of thousands of years, if a tribe of people who looked different than you showed up at your camp or village, they probably weren't just coming to hang out. we've been tribal long enough for it to be embedded in the hardware.
 
The President has already spent a quater billion on ebola.

Yet Boehner couldn't resist a cheap shot saying the President waited too long to act.

It will never end with these people and good GOPs will never speak back to it .
 
MMC said:
One minute BO is complaining how the Military is used.....and the next he is all for using Military troops for the Humanitarian reasons. 3000 troops here to go and build a hospital. How about those Humanitarians in Africa and the surrounding countries go and build a hospital.

Didn't the UN say this was already out of control?
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Oh, I think it's a freaking mess over there. If there's honestly a chance the military can help, I'm all for it. I question the use of the military in such a fashion, but I won't go to the wall if that's the best we can do. I do worry about the result, but I just can't second guess the administration here. Ebola isn't a joke, and if we can contain it, we should.
 
When a guy like Krauthammer doesn't complain like you MMC, but has nothing but praise for what Mr. Obama is doing,
one really has to wonder where yer coming from--with seven weeks to go .
MMC said:
One minute BO is complaining how the Military is used.....and the next he is all for using Military troops for the Humanitarian reasons. 3000 troops here to go and build a hospital. How about those Humanitarians in Africa and the surrounding countries go and build a hospital.

Didn't the UN say this was already out of control?
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MMC said:
Heya Ockham. :2wave: Yeah.....why aren't those CDC guys going. Also I am sure BO didn't account for any of the money. Just the intention.
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They are. But for some reason they seem to lack a fleet of C-141's capable of bringing in the requisite equipment, aid, sustainment, materials, etc. Additionally, it seems they lack an attachment of engineers used to creating facilities out of nothing at a rapid pace, and not a terribly large corps of linguists. Additionally, the Liberian military is leading the charge there, and we have an ongoing relationship with them. We develop mil-to-mil relationships all over the globe, partly to enable ops like this.
 
MMC said:
Next time, you hear BO peep say my military....
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Yet more partisan nonsense connected to a terrible disease. Thanks.


Did I say we should sit back and do nothing?
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Basically, yes. Since you can't keep track of your own words, in post #14 you said "How about those Humanitarians in Africa and the surrounding countries go and build a hospital. Didn't the UN say this was already out of control?" Later, you insisted that Europe get involved. None of that suggests the US should step up its efforts.


What you didn't see me agree with another about sending those from the CDC?
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I was responding to post #14. You suggested we send CDC instead in post #19. After taking yet another partisan crack at the President.

We should also note that the CDC does not have the capability to build mobile hospitals. There is no "Centers of Disease Control Army of Engineers."


Or asking why they aren't being sent.
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The CDC is already involved. They have around 55 staffers there, and another 350 in the US working on the issue.

The military is going to coordinate, to build facilities, and to train up to 500 health care workers per week. This includes ACE and medical teams. I really don't see why you're complaining about this, other than "Obama issued an order."


Well there are a bunch of European countries that just don't have a full plate to deal with.....do you think they can be influenced to get off their ass and do something rather than sit around and hope it don't show up in their country.
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China is sending staff and aid; Britain is sending troops and humanitarian aid to Sierra Leone; Germany, France, EU, Canada, Cuba are all getting involved.

The international response has not been as strong as it should be, of that there is little question. That does not mean the US should refrain from utilizing the appropriate resources to help fight Ebola.
 
I think anyone thinking of enlisting in the U.S. military should hold off for a little while.
 
People seemed to buy it for terrorism so why not infectious disease?

"If we fight it there, we wont have to fight it here."

The goal is to keep it contained in Africa.
 
fmw said:
Let's see. We'll send 3000 troops to West Africa and hope they don't get sick and die. We'll send 300 to Iraq and hope they don't get shot and die. I thought the purpose of the military is to kill people and break things. Who do we want to kill and what do we want to break in West Africa?
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Are our troops not for defending America?

What happens to our people and economy when **** like that gets here? Even the serious threat of it here can drastically affect our economy.
 
And to show how non-serious some GOP congressmen are, they want to take money out of ACA funds to fund ebola--no crass politics there huh ?
 
We have 1,700 troops in Iraq right now fmw, not the 300 you incorrectly stated.
And the GOP wants 10,000 to 15,000 more, knowing the American people oppose this .
fmw said:
Let's see. We'll send 3000 troops to West Africa and hope they don't get sick and die. We'll send 300 to Iraq and hope they don't get shot and die. I thought the purpose of the military is to kill people and break things. Who do we want to kill and what do we want to break in West Africa?
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And to think even Charles Krauthammer effusely praised the President for what he did today.
Specifically stating that only our military could do this.
And Speaker Boehner still had to make a snide remark about how long it took the President,
forgetting the quarter billion we've already spent .
Visbek said:
Yet more partisan nonsense connected to a terrible disease. Thanks.



Basically, yes. Since you can't keep track of your own words, in post #14 you said "How about those Humanitarians in Africa and the surrounding countries go and build a hospital. Didn't the UN say this was already out of control?" Later, you insisted that Europe get involved. None of that suggests the US should step up its efforts.



I was responding to post #14. You suggested we send CDC instead in post #19. After taking yet another partisan crack at the President.

We should also note that the CDC does not have the capability to build mobile hospitals. There is no "Centers of Disease Control Army of Engineers."



The CDC is already involved. They have around 55 staffers there, and another 350 in the US working on the issue.

The military is going to coordinate, to build facilities, and to train up to 500 health care workers per week. This includes ACE and medical teams. I really don't see why you're complaining about this, other than "Obama issued an order."



China is sending staff and aid; Britain is sending troops and humanitarian aid to Sierra Leone; Germany, France, EU, Canada, Cuba are all getting involved.

The international response has not been as strong as it should be, of that there is little question. That does not mean the US should refrain from utilizing the appropriate resources to help fight Ebola.
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Sure our troops are none to happy for this assignment..........at least in battle, they can see the enemy and shoot back.......
 
Visbek said:
Yet more partisan nonsense connected to a terrible disease. Thanks.



Basically, yes. Since you can't keep track of your own words, in post #14 you said "How about those Humanitarians in Africa and the surrounding countries go and build a hospital. Didn't the UN say this was already out of control?" Later, you insisted that Europe get involved. None of that suggests the US should step up its efforts.



I was responding to post #14. You suggested we send CDC instead in post #19. After taking yet another partisan crack at the President.

We should also note that the CDC does not have the capability to build mobile hospitals. There is no "Centers of Disease Control Army of Engineers."



The CDC is already involved. They have around 55 staffers there, and another 350 in the US working on the issue.

The military is going to coordinate, to build facilities, and to train up to 500 health care workers per week. This includes ACE and medical teams. I really don't see why you're complaining about this, other than "Obama issued an order."



China is sending staff and aid; Britain is sending troops and humanitarian aid to Sierra Leone; Germany, France, EU, Canada, Cuba are all getting involved.

The international response has not been as strong as it should be, of that there is little question. That does not mean the US should refrain from utilizing the appropriate resources to help fight Ebola.
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Has nothing to do with partisanship, other than Americans not only being the one counted on to do something to make a difference. Seems only you would know about such being a disease.....are you a carrier?

Even quoting me you went completely out of context. Nothing I said was even remotely close saying we should do nothing. It did point out about those who knew it was already out of hand and they were doing nothing to lead any efforts. Meaning they did not step up any efforts. Even though there were some calling for more assistance and help. But then this goes back to that issue of you trying to think for another rather than ask one what they mean.

Well that was the way the thread read out. That's why the responses are numbered. Yes the CDC were working on the issue when they sent the Docs back that caught the disease.

Yes I am ex military and know all about such procedures. Oh and like I said.....none of this money was thought of when BO threw his Hat into the Ring. Which is why some now are saying to Put an Appropriations Bill On Reid's Desk With the headline in Crayon so he can't say he didn't see it.

That's good with others all looking to help ..... especially since they now know, its more out of hand than what was reported. Probably the reason why BO said so and that we were late in responding. Like those others I was talking about.
 
NIMBY said:
When a guy like Krauthammer doesn't complain like you MMC, but has nothing but praise for what Mr. Obama is doing,
one really has to wonder where yer coming from--with seven weeks to go .
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One minute you are talking about how the Hammer doesn't know anything due to him slamming BO.....but now you will cite him for him giving praise to BO.

Nothing new with your takes, I see.
 
humbolt said:
Oh, I think it's a freaking mess over there. If there's honestly a chance the military can help, I'm all for it. I question the use of the military in such a fashion, but I won't go to the wall if that's the best we can do. I do worry about the result, but I just can't second guess the administration here. Ebola isn't a joke, and if we can contain it, we should.
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It is.....a lot of the people know what happens if they say they or a family member has Ebola. Many are trying to say they have the other major problem down there. That being Malaria. So they wont be quarantined. One can look at the numbers and see why it needs to be contained. Plus things are getting chaotic so with the Military going in.....there will be Order. People wont just be allowed to leave and take the disease with them. Incubation being 2-21 days.

The W.H.O. was calling for 12 clinics to be set up. Then 17.....now they want 24.
 
I don't understand why it is the U.S. military that is being used for this mission and not one U.N. Peacekeeper.
 
vesper said:
I don't understand why it is the U.S. military that is being used for this mission and not one U.N. Peacekeeper.
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I think it has to do more with politics than actually anything else. Obama is turning up the rhetoric on an issue that has bi-partisan support - so he sends US troops to show how much of a "leader" he is. Rather cynically but also probably close to the truth - this is meant to help mid-terms - whether or not that is the primary driver of this... cynically I'd suspect it is, realistically it might just be a happy side effect.
 
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