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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    McDonalds lost it when they changed their fry oil. Piping hot burn your mouth salty french fries cooked in oil from beef fat made McDonalds worth going to. Add to that a 'mini-mac' off their dollar menu and a drink...great drive through fast food.

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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The problem is, we're paying for the utter irresponsibility of these low-wage workers, these are people who are trying to live off of wages never intended to be living wages.
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    Those jobs are supposed to be filled by teenagers, kids living at home with most of their expenses covered, as a place to learn basic work skills and develop a work ethic. Then they move on, either up the ladder to better paying jobs, or elsewhere once they get their education. These jobs were never intended for a living wage and anyone who is trying to do so is doing it wrong.-
    That is a lie put out by those against minimum wage and minimum wage increases. It was not created as some sort of mythical training wage that those against minimum wage and minimum wage increases like to claim it is.

    Clearly it was created so someone can live off it.
    Minimum wage | Wex Legal Dictionary / Encyclopedia | LII / Legal Information Institute
    The purpose of the minimum wage was to stabilize the post-depression economy and protect the workers in the labor force. The minimum wage was designed to create a minimum standard of living to protect the health and well-being of employees. Others have argued that the primary purpose was to aid the lowest paid of the nation's working population, those who lacked sufficient bargaining power to secure for themselves a minimum subsistence wage.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I'm not sure what your point is. We have millions of low wage jobs that will always be filled by someone. And after we offshored 10 million or so good paying production jobs to lowest common denominator locations, there aren't many options for people to move up to. My uncle married a woman from a family where NONE of the family had ever graduated from HS. It worked out OK for them because they lived near a bunch of manufacturing plants, and they worked hard and made a decent living. Those are gone now, and there isn't much left. They get their GED and then what?

    We eliminated perhaps 10 million production jobs that create real value and replaced them with low value added service jobs. And you're blaming people who fill those jobs for being low paid in positions that will always be low paid. You can blame democrats for the offshoring, high taxes and regulations or whatever, but it sure as hell isn't the fault of workers in towns hollowed out when the manufacturing left and all that came in to replace them was a job at Walmart making 1/3 the pay. I guess everyone should be an engineer or something.

    There's this weird strain in the republican party that is proudly contemptuous of poor people.
    Manufacturing will be replaced with high tech. A GED or HS diploma will no longer cut it, as it should be for any society that is advancing and becoming more technological and complicated.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I'm not sure what the 'solution' is.
    Education.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Education.
    Education is great and I'm all for making college and vocational training like K-12. I don't see why a person needs to go 10s of thousands in debt just to gain the basic skills to hold a decent job in our economy. For most of the 20th century, the basic skills were covered by a HS or GED, and society funded that for everyone. It's time we recognized the new reality that a HS diploma = poverty wages and doesn't qualify a person for decent employment.

    But education isn't really the solution. It's not like we have these good jobs with good pay sitting empty for lack of skilled workers. Only at the far end of the most "skilled" margin is that true. Everywhere else wages have been flat, and most especially including those with a decent education - college degree or more. The basic core problem, IMO, that no one wants to admit is blue collar workers in America are 'competing' with people all over the globe making $1 an hour or less, and even skilled workers (like accountants, and radiologists, and more) are seeing their jobs offshored to places like India with a fraction of the pay scale, or their jobs automated out of existence.

    Anyway, "education" is just a feel good answer to an incredibly difficult question in my view. Focusing on it is ESSENTIAL, but will only get us marginal gains I'm afraid and leave the bigger problem unsolved.

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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Education is great and I'm all for making college and vocational training like K-12. I don't see why a person needs to go 10s of thousands in debt just to gain the basic skills to hold a decent job in our economy. For most of the 20th century, the basic skills were covered by a HS or GED, and society funded that for everyone. It's time we recognized the new reality that a HS diploma = poverty wages and doesn't qualify a person for decent employment.

    But education isn't really the solution. It's not like we have these good jobs with good pay sitting empty for lack of skilled workers. Only at the far end of the most "skilled" margin is that true. Everywhere else wages have been flat, and most especially including those with a decent education - college degree or more. The basic core problem, IMO, that no one wants to admit is blue collar workers in America are 'competing' with people all over the globe making $1 an hour or less.
    You'll always need good scientists and engineers. But yes, it is a lot more of an entangled, non-linear differential than anything else and there is quite a bit that would need to be fixed in order to ensure the education necessary to keeping a Republic and the freedom and ingenuity of Free Market Capitalism.
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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    McDonalds lost it when they changed their fry oil. Piping hot burn your mouth salty french fries cooked in oil from beef fat made McDonalds worth going to. Add to that a 'mini-mac' off their dollar menu and a drink...great drive through fast food.
    I used to love McDonalds chicken nuggets when they were made with dark meat.But McDonalds decided they wanted to make their food healthier.I do not go to a liquor store for non-alcholohic soda pop. I do not go to a Chinese restaurant for pizza. Nor would I go to a outback steak house or Texas Roadhouse steakhouse for Chicago style deep dish pizza.So who in the hell goes to a place that mostly sells burgers and fries for healthy food?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    You act like they wouldn't turn to automatons and mass layoffs regardless. The one constant in capitalism is it's not a charity. They strive to only hire as many workers as necessary, and pay as little as they can get away with, by definition. Why? Because the CEO of a company with declining sales making 4600x the pay of the employees is just not enough.

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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    I have seen two stores like this recently, that had kiosks for ordering.
    No one seems to have trouble using it.
    Sheetz and Buc-ee's both have Kiosks for placing food orders.
    As Government increases the minimum wage, look for more and more phase out
    of the low end jobs.
    In the Case of Buc-ee's, they pay higher than the other places, and the employees seem
    in good spirits.

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    Re: McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a mach

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Education is great and I'm all for making college and vocational training like K-12. I don't see why a person needs to go 10s of thousands in debt just to gain the basic skills to hold a decent job in our economy. For most of the 20th century, the basic skills were covered by a HS or GED, and society funded that for everyone. It's time we recognized the new reality that a HS diploma = poverty wages and doesn't qualify a person for decent employment.

    But education isn't really the solution. It's not like we have these good jobs with good pay sitting empty for lack of skilled workers. Only at the far end of the most "skilled" margin is that true. Everywhere else wages have been flat, and most especially including those with a decent education - college degree or more. The basic core problem, IMO, that no one wants to admit is blue collar workers in America are 'competing' with people all over the globe making $1 an hour or less, and even skilled workers (like accountants, and radiologists, and more) are seeing their jobs offshored to places like India with a fraction of the pay scale, or their jobs automated out of existence.

    Anyway, "education" is just a feel good answer to an incredibly difficult question in my view. Focusing on it is ESSENTIAL, but will only get us marginal gains I'm afraid and leave the bigger problem unsolved.
    That's all true, but the problem is without education there's no hope for acquiring what skilled jobs there are. Whether that means an old-fashioned apprenticeship, military tech training, or a degree, there's little denying that HS diplomas have failed. College has become very much a gamble, as you said, thousands in debt and a few years of earning potential lost, but without taking that risk, what's left? Minimum wage or slightly above, if employed at all. It's not an "answer" so much as the best of bad options for many 17 year olds.

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